Not meaning to commit mortal sin

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I was about this: I was watching a certain music video for a song I like- in the song there is a flash of something immoral for an instant: two women kissing in a passionate way for a second. I’m not saying that just because its a flash makes it anybetter…
I’m just wondering- I watch the video just cuz I really like the song… Not at all for that little blip. I even tried to turn away during that but it was rather too quick and I saw it anyways.
If it was not my intention to see that, but rather just to enjoy the song/rest of the video, have I committed mortal sin?
 
CCC 1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: “Mortal sin is sin whose object is** grave **matter and which is also committed with **full **knowledge and deliberate consent.”

So no, I don’t think it’s mortal.
 
If I were in your shoes, I would probably not watch the video ar all. And if just listening to the song makes the image from the video flash in your brain, I’d stop listening to that song for a long time.

That image is an occasion for sin. Seeing it might help you have a sinful thought; or maybe not. But if you avoid seeing it, you avoid the possibility that you will have a sinful thought.

27 "You have heard that it was said, `You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell. Matt 5:27-30 (RSV)

Do you need to pluck that video out and throw it away? That’s for you to answer. I can’t answer for you because only Jesus knows your heart.

24 The LORD bless you and keep you:
25 The LORD make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you:
26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace.
Num 6:24-26 (RSV)
 
I pray it wasn’t a mortal sin. I went to Communion and was very afraid- I was wondering if it was a sin the whole time… I’m very scrupulous and I don’t feel good now. I pray I haven’t dishonored Jesus… I’m only worried because I know homosexual stuff is serious, but honestly, though I knew it was in the video for like a second, I hadn’t by any means watched it for that purpose… Would it be less sinful if it was a boy and girl kissing passionately? Somehow I must think so.
 
DatGangstaStuff said:
If anyone else has thoughts on this, let me know.
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It’s not a mortal sin. It does not rise to that level of seriousness.

I think what you are realizing is that you can’t be a committed member of two cultures.

Based on your past posts etc. It’s clear that you are into the rap/hip hop culture.(Im not talking about race by the way). The ‘culture’ of rap and hip hop is multi-racial. But it’s impossible to saturate your mind with the ideas that they espouse and at the same time try to be a sincere Catholic working for sanctity.

You would be hard pressed to find a music video(mainstream) of this genre that does not offend Catholic ideals and values the ‘Catholic Culture’.

More and more young people are realizing that they are faced with a choice. If they are spiritually engaged with the Church they will be violently attacked (spiritually) with the prevaling youth culture.

You need to make a mature decision. Are you in or not?
 
You’re asking me a stupid question.

“Do you need to stop listening to music?”

Music is morally neutral. God can use rap to spread knowledge and truth. I’ve been enlightened and inspired in a good way by rap. I give up the world- the world is what perverts music. Rap I do not have to give up. I don’t agree with the messages in some of the songs, but I don’t really listen to gangster gangster sex rap.

Oh, by the way: Christian rock sucks.

And as far as not ever being able to find a sweet rapper that is Christian… Prepare to get owned:

youtube.com/watch?v=Jf63Wv6Atl8
 
and when I say “Christian Rock” sucks I’m not dissing the fact that they are about Jesus, that’s awesome- good for them… But musically its awful, corny, and preachy.
 
DatGangstaStuff said:
You’re asking me a stupid question.

“Do you need to stop listening to music?”

Music is morally neutral. God can use rap to spread knowledge and truth. I’ve been enlightened and inspired in a good way by rap. I give up the world- the world is what perverts music. Rap I do not have to give up. I don’t agree with the messages in some of the songs, but I don’t really listen to gangster gangster sex rap.

Oh, by the way: Christian rock sucks.

And as far as not ever being able to find a sweet rapper that is Christian… Prepare to get owned:

youtube.com/watch?v=Jf63Wv6Atl8
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Im just thinking maybe God is asking you to make a sacrifice and stop engaging in an immoral sub-culture.

When God asked Abraham to sacrifice his own son did Abraham tell him that it was a stupid request that he didn’t understand?

Whether music is morally neutral is an interesting question if you mean music w/out lyrics.

However, music with lyrics is almost always either morally degrading or uplifting. Since you said you dont agree with the message then you agree that music has a moral value.

“Rap has led me closer to God” ya whatever.
 
You’re a close minded idiot. I can appreciate truth and beauty in certain rap songs just like someone can appreciate His truth and beauty in say… The Aeneid or the Odyssey. Its just artwork. Why am I even talking to you? I just wanted an answer to my question. Thanks.
 
I’m not even going to engage you about your dilluted and media-given bigoted idea about what “the hip hop subculture” is, because hip hop is DEAD and its been DEAD since the mid 90s. Hip Hop subculture? Yeah, thats me and my friends in a basement doing cooler stuff than you do on a weekend- making original music and being creative and expressing ourselves. Oh yeah, and then we shoot up on heroine and have huge orgies. What the hell? Just cuz I rap it makes me participating in some evil subculture? You’re wack.
 
Nevermind. I’m sorry- sorry to be so insulting toward you, I just think you’re really really wrong with this one. You sound like you don’t know much about what I do, and you have no idea who I am, so I beg you don’t assume. I was very rude to you, and I ask for your forgiveness, especially if you are a priest or religious that is just concerned for my wretched soul.

Listen- I know a lot of rap is bad, but rap in itself is not. It is concious- it is imagination- it is fun. I’ve even made rap that glorifies God, pro-life… Its how I express myself and maintain sanity. I don’t feel like discussing it right now though, I don’t think you would understand is all.

Thank you for your concern and sorry again.
 
DatGangstaStuff said:
hip hop is DEAD and its been DEAD since the mid 90s.
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Hip Hop is Dead? Then why did you say this on Oct 30, '06, 2:45 pm…

Re: Yo whats up! Well, I’m just a kid growing up. Trying to deter growing up… Err… I’m 18… I’m a neurotic Catholic from the Midwest… What else? **I love music- hip hop specifically. I’m part of a pretty sweet hip hop group **(two actually)… Making music is a huge part of my life- lyrics is whats important to me. I love lyrics.

But I agree it is dead (spiritually).
 
DatGangstaStuff said:
Nevermind. I’m sorry- sorry to be so insulting toward you, I just think you’re really really wrong with this one. You sound like you don’t know much about what I do, and you have no idea who I am, so I beg you don’t assume. I was very rude to you, and I ask for your forgiveness, especially if you are a priest or religious that is just concerned for my wretched soul.

Listen- I know a lot of rap is bad, but rap in itself is not. It is concious- it is imagination- it is fun. I’ve even made rap that glorifies God, pro-life… Its how I express myself and maintain sanity. I don’t feel like discussing it right now though, I don’t think you would understand is all.

Thank you for your concern and sorry again.
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You’re right. I dont know you but I am responding to your opening post. In it you said you are conflicted by watching music videos that glorify sinful lifestyles. Im simpy trying to point out that hip-hop/rap videos usually (mainstream) lead to a young person facing an internal question. Should I be associated, watch or listen to this if my religion is offended. There is a spiritual warfare going on that we dont always see. But we need to be aware of the choices we make or we may end up on the wrong side.

I think it’s awesome that you are taking something notorious for being damaging to a person’s soul (rap lyrics that degrade etc) and you are sort of baptizing it with positive prolife-lyrics. But in the mean time stay away from the bad stuff. That’s just my advice take it or leave it.
God Bless.

p.s. You dont know me either so you too should not assume.
 
DatGangstaStuff said:
You’re asking me a stupid question.

“Do you need to stop listening to music?”

Music is morally neutral. God can use rap to spread knowledge and truth. I’ve been enlightened and inspired in a good way by rap. I give up the world- the world is what perverts music. Rap I do not have to give up. I don’t agree with the messages in some of the songs, but I don’t really listen to gangster gangster sex rap.

Oh, by the way: Christian rock sucks.

And as far as not ever being able to find a sweet rapper that is Christian… Prepare to get owned:

youtube.com/watch?v=Jf63Wv6Atl8
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I agree with you that certain rap songs can be very good for one’s soul. That song by the Black Eyed Peas comes to mind.
I disagree that Christian rock sucks.
I liked Amy Grant’s music!
Guys seem to enjoy two girls kissing…normal guys that is.
If you think that’s a bad thing and you’re enjoying it too much there may be a problem, but I doubt that it’s a mortal sin.
 
Karianne said:
Guys seem to enjoy two girls kissing…normal guys that is.
If you think that’s a bad thing and you’re enjoying it too much there may be a problem, but I doubt that it’s a mortal sin.
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Guys enjoy girls walking around naked too. But does that makes it Okay?

You’re telling my friend, Datgangtsastuff that he’s not normal for being offended.

I think he is noble for being offended precisely because we guys tend to like it. We are called to rise above our fallen natures.

Let me get this right. Youre Catholic and pro-lesbian all for two girls kissing publicly even though you know that it leads men to sin.
 
If you’re seriously not mature enough to handle two women kissing for a brief second in a music video, then fine, don’t watch it.

But assuming you are an adult (and in all fairness you may not be, I don’t know your age) then I would hope you are grown up enough to stop worrying about such silly things. While turning this over in your mind, how many homeless people did you walk past in the street without noticing?

Do you really think you are going to meet God one day and he is going to be upset at you because you saw a flash of two girls kissing in a music video? Jesus Christ.
 
I see where you are coming from, you crazy fool, and I think I am mature enough to handle it. The only thing is though I don’t think it matters what I think- if the Church tells me its mortal sin then I can’t do it. It doesn’t come down to how I feel.

By the way, homeless people I see all the time. I don’t give them money- I’d buy them food. Most of them are creepy drug addicts around my area it seems like. Some are nice, but they always ask me to smoke with them and stuff.

I worry about unborn children more.

And in reply to my Franciscan friend earlier… Hip hop is dead and I practise a dead art. That stuff you see on BET is fake (and usually immoral). I just do it for fun, for my own sanity. You should look into more underground stuff, there are some hella talented emcees in the underground still struggling for existence. No doubt God gave them great talents.
 
Hello,

I am a Protestant and I am one who used to listen to the kind of music that you are listening to. I had to get rid of that music because it was hurting my relationship with God. Music is very important to God as can be seen in scripture. I have resorted to clean Christian, conservative, Southern Gospel music that brings me closer to God and is spritually edifying. I will leave you with these…

1 John 2:15-17 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

James 4:4 KJV 4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

I do not believe in neutrality either…it is either for God or against. We are to be walking in the Spirit and not trying to please our flesh with the songs of this world. You may not like that but, to have a very close and satisfying relationship with God…whatsoever we do, we need to do all to the glory of God…

1 Corinthians 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

Seek The Lord…

Craig
 
Franciscan said:
Guys enjoy girls walking around naked too. But does that makes it Okay?

You’re telling my friend, Datgangtsastuff that he’s not normal for being offended.

I think he is noble for being offended precisely because we guys tend to like it. We are called to rise above our fallen natures.

Let me get this right. Youre Catholic and pro-lesbian all for two girls kissing publicly even though you know that it leads men to sin.
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Thank you for admitting that guys tend to enjoy watching lesbians. I am not pro anything that leads men to sin, however, I have noticed that men who have no homosexual tendencies tend to enjoy watching girl on girl sex.
Let me explain, I could never understand why people like Jerry Falwell carry on so about male homosexuality.
He would beat it into the ground, take videos to show people how awful it was and just, in general, talk about it ad nauseum.
Then I wondered, does he struggle with this issue himself.
I noticed that if I brought up the issue of gay folks to men, the normal guy would get annoyed at the issues of two guys, but would get a silly grin about two girls.
Now it seems that guys who are in media and who carry on beyond reason with the Gay issue are themselves struggling with this issue, and at times, they are exposed.
It’s not that I hate the hypocrites, its the sin of hypocrisy that I hate.
 
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