Not Roman Catholic, but catholic

[misterX]

Jimmy B:

Is this Mel Gibson’s religion? I’ve read that he is a “Catholic” but not a Roman Catholic.

Nobody is a Roman catholic. the term “roman catholic” came from the protestants in the 1800’s. The vatican doesn’t reconize the term Roman catholic either.

 

[Jimmy_B]

misterX:

Nobody is a Roman catholic. the term “roman catholic” came from the protestants in the 1800’s. The vatican doesn’t reconize the term Roman catholic either.

misterX,

You can’t be serious when you wrote “Nobody is a Roman catholic.” By the way, it is Roman Catholic Church (upper case).

As to your other quote; “roman catholic” came from the protestants in the 1800’s. The vatican doesn’t reconize the term Roman catholic either”, misterX, please provide the source that you used to come to this conclusion.

The link provide below is the encyclopedia definition of the “Roman Catholic Church”.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church

 

[Jimmy_B]

misterX:

Nobody is a Roman catholic. the term “roman catholic” came from the protestants in the 1800’s. The vatican doesn’t reconize the term Roman catholic either.

misterX
The term “Roman Catholic” as used in modern English, describes those 1.5 Billion Catholics and approximately 2,755 dioceses , each with a presiding Catholic Bishop, who all have an allegiance to the Vicar of Christ, The Bishop of Rome, The Pope and recognize him, the Pope, as the Apostolic successor in an un-broken chain from Saint Peter to the current Pope today, Pope Benedict XVI, The leader of the Christ’s Church here on earth.
I hope this clears up your misconception that "Nobody is Roman Catholic". Approximately 1.5 Billion people are Roman Catholic.

 

[misterX]

misterX
The term “Roman Catholic” as used in modern English, describes those 1.5 Billion Catholics and approximately 2,755 dioceses , each with a presiding Catholic Bishop, who all have an allegiance to the Vicar of Christ, The Bishop of Rome, The Pope and recognize him, the Pope, as the Apostolic successor in an un-broken chain from Saint Peter to the current Pope today, Pope Benedict XVI, The leader of the Christ’s Church here on earth.
I hope this clears up your misconception that "Nobody is Roman Catholic". Approximately 1.5 Billion people are Roman Catholic.

Sorry but there are currently ZERO “roman” catholics. The term Roman Catholic Church was not developed in Rome. It was coined by the Anglicans in the 16 Century. the adjective “developed” from the fact that Peter was the first Bishop of Rome., the term “Roman Catholics” was actually used much later. so if you want to continue useing terms coined for you by protestants go ahead. V.C2 has a lot to answer for. Yes I know they didn’t create the term. but their airy fairy, lets not teach catholisim in its fullest sence in case we upset someone., attitude. that brought this lack of ones own faith on.

 

[Jimmy_B]

misterX:

Sorry but there are currently ZERO “roman” catholics. The term Roman Catholic Church was not developed in Rome. It was coined by the Anglicans in the 16 Century. the adjective “developed” from the fact that Peter was the first Bishop of Rome., the term “Roman Catholics” was actually used much later. so if you want to continue useing terms coined for you by protestants go ahead. V.C2 has a lot to answer for. Yes I know they didn’t create the term. but their airy fairy, lets not teach catholisim in its fullest sence in case we upset someone., attitude. that brought this lack of ones own faith on.

misterX,

I don’t know what point you are trying to make? I don’t understand your logic when you say “there are currently ZERO “roman” catholics”? I did notice you don’t capitalize the words Roman or Catholic in your quote. Is this an exercise in semantics or proper English?

So literally, catholic, small “c” means “universal”. If that is the case, then you are saying that there are no “Christians” because there is no “universal” church of Christ. Your word “roman”, small “r”, doesn’t exist in my world. It is not a word. So in that sense, you are right when you state, “there are currently ZERO “roman” catholics” (small “r”). Unless of course you mean “there are zero roaming Catholics.”

If we want to get technical or use semantics, there are people who are current residents of and live in Rome and some of those “Romans” are Catholic, so even using your logic, that there are “currently zero “roman” catholics”, you are still in-correct. Additionally, there are some who live in the region once known as the Roman Empire, who are the direct decedents of the Romans, who are also Catholic.

No matter what “logic” you use, your comment that “there are currently ZERO roman catholics” is flawed. I’ll stand behind my prior post(s) and description of what is currently meant by the term Roman Catholic Church, when used by the entire World’s population. With the exception of misterX, the rest of the World’s population will understand what is meant by the current name or term, Roman Catholic Church.

Are you the only person on this planet who doesn’t understand this, or did you get a hold of some crazy anti-Catholic conspiracy book? Please provide the source which you base your opinion, I need a good laugh. It’s been fun, thanks…

 

[Jimmy_B]

misterX,
Your profile states that you are “Catholic”. Are we having this discussion because you are one of those who disagree with Vatican II and left the Roman Catholic Church, lead by the Pope in “Rome” to follow pre-Vatican II beliefs? Are you a “Traditional Catholic”, “American Catholic” or Eastern sect, etc…? If you are not a Roman Catholic, what type of “Catholic” are you?
The term “Catholic” can mean many things. It can be somewhat confusing. That is the reason there is the commonly excepted term, Roman Catholic Church. It really doesn’t matter who coined the term, it is currently used to differentiate Catholics who follow the Pope in “Rome” and those who do not. I believe that is why this thread was started, because there are different types of “Catholics”.
There are some “Catholic” churches in the United States who have woman “priests”. They broke from the Roman rite. One day there could be a “Catholic” church which allows homosexuals to become priests and bishops. A few hundred years ago when one said, “I’m Catholic”, everyone knew what he meant. That is not the case now. I’m glad there is a term, which is useful to understand the different types of “Catholics”. I am a Roman Catholic.

 

[Atreyu]

Jimmy B:

A few hundred years ago when one said, “I’m Catholic”, everyone knew what he meant. That is not the case now. I’m glad there is a term, which is useful to understand the different types of “Catholics”. I am a Roman Catholic.

Jimmy while I agree with the rest of your post, I don’t agree with the first sentence of yours that I have quoted. I find I use the following quote all the time, for many different reasons; I guess you could say it is my favourite quote from the Church Fathers:
“[T]here are many other things which most properly can keep me in [the Catholic Church’s] bosom. The unanimity of peoples and nations keeps me here. Her authority, inaugurated in miracles, nourished by hope, augmented by love, and confirmed by her age, keeps me here. The succession of priests, from the very see of the apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after his resurrection, gave the charge of feeding his sheep [John 21:15–17], up to the present episcopate, keeps me here. **And last, the very name Catholic, which, not without reason, belongs to this Church alone, in the face of so many heretics, so much so that, although all heretics want to be called ‘Catholic,’ when a stranger inquires where the Catholic Church meets, none of the heretics would dare to point out his own basilica or house” **(Against the Letter of Mani Called “The Foundation” 4:5 [A.D. 397]).
-Augustine
I find it a comfort that Augustine encountered the same objections that we do today. Anyway, while I completely accept the name, Roman Catholic Church, if a stranger were to inquire where the Catholic Church meets, I am sure that every person would point out the local Roman Catholic Church.

 

[Jimmy_B]

Atreyu:

Jimmy while I agree with the rest of your post, I don’t agree with the first sentence of yours that I have quoted. I find I use the following quote all the time, for many different reasons; I guess you could say it is my favourite quote from the Church Fathers:"[T]here are many other things which most properly can keep me in [the Catholic Church’s] bosom. The unanimity of peoples and nations keeps me here. Her authority, inaugurated in miracles, nourished by hope, augmented by love, and confirmed by her age, keeps me here. The succession of priests, from the very see of the apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after his resurrection, gave the charge of feeding his sheep [John 21:15–17], up to the present episcopate, keeps me here. **And last, the very name Catholic, which, not without reason, belongs to this Church alone, in the face of so many heretics, so much so that, although all heretics want to be called ‘Catholic,’ when a stranger inquires where the Catholic Church meets, none of the heretics would dare to point out his own basilica or house" **(Against the Letter of Mani Called “The Foundation” 4:5 [A.D. 397]).

-Augustine
I find it a comfort that Augustine encountered the same objections that we do today. Anyway, while I completely accept the name, Roman Catholic Church, if a stranger were to inquire where the Catholic Church meets, I am sure that every person would point out the local Roman Catholic Church.

Hi Atreyu,

Thank you very much for your post. It was great! I completely agree with everything you said and I really liked the excerpt that you included, taken from Saint Augustine’s, “The Foundation" 4:5 [A.D. 397]. I to “find it a comfort that Augustine encountered the same objections that we do today”. I’m also reminded by an awesome Catholic example like St. Augustine, how proud and lucky I am to be Catholic and how thankful I am that my mother had me baptized into the Catholic faith when I was ten days old. Isn’t it great being Catholic? God bless you and thanks again.

 

[misterX]

misterX,
If we want to get technical or use semantics, there are people who are current residents of and live in Rome and some of those “Romans” are Catholic, so even using your logic, that there are “currently zero “roman” catholics”, you are still in-correct. Additionally, there are some who live in the region once known as the Roman Empire, who are the direct decedents of the Romans, who are also Catholic.

No matter what “logic” you use, your comment that “there are currently ZERO roman catholics” is flawed. I’ll stand behind my prior post(s) and description of what is currently meant by the term Roman Catholic Church, when used by the entire World’s population. With the exception of misterX, the rest of the World’s population will understand what is meant by the current name or term, Roman Catholic Church.

Are you the only person on this planet who doesn’t understand this, or did you get a hold of some crazy anti-Catholic conspiracy book? Please provide the source which you base your opinion, I need a good laugh. It’s been fun, thanks…

No i don’t read anti catholic conspricacy books. I’m stating a plain and simple fact. the term roman catholic was a term invented by prots. Yes i do agree with the Pope. (on 99% of things anyway) .Sorry if you think im not a “normal” catholic for thinking that, but hey i’m just a human being not a saint like some. And yes there are terms Church of Rome etc. but not roman catholic. well not officaly , and if there is. Why are we letting protestants tell us what we should be called? And yes i don’t agree entirly with the V.C2 but no i’m still catholic. Am i a traditional catholic? i don’t know. But i do know i don’t like change, change is what the protestants do. Ill stick to what st. peter and the early fathers wanted ( well a closer form of catholisim than v.c). others can follow those text deleted in the vatican who are too scared to mention things such as hell or the devil or to say that homosexuality is a sin or pray with pagans. And have bishops who tell muslims that allah and God are one in the same… if it makes them feel more “catholic”. More power to them i say.

 

[Atreyu]

How about that doctrine of the Catholic Church that states you should be obedient to the magisterium of the Church? From your posts, MisterX, it seems to me that you don’t really understand this doctrine very much. If you reject Vatican II (I don’t know if you do or not, but if you do) then I don’t see any difference between you and the Orthodox… or the Arians or the Lutherans or anyone else who rejects the Magisterium.

 

[Joe_Monahan]

This thread has wandered significantly from the topic and, consequently, I am closing it.

Thanks to all who have participated in the discussion.

The issue of the appropriateness of the terminology “Roman Catholic” is a subject onto itself (and one discussed thoroughly in several prior threads that can be located through the search function).

Joe