Not supporting Israel

[OneSheep]

You cannot forgive while continuing to be harmed physically.

Everybody has the right to defense, even if injustice was committed to place them where they are.

If the killing ends, then is the time for forgiveness.

Based on your argument, the Palestinians are in the position of the Jewish Zealots in our LORD’s day. But the Zealots were NOT forgiven. Indeed, our LORD warned that the nation would be destroyed, and it was.

ICXC NIKA

Jesus forgave while being harmed physically. Saints have done the same. I agree, though, it is extremely difficult.

If we “wait until the killing ends”, then we may have to wait forever. The Gospel stands for forgiveness. Jesus did not say “forgive the Romans when the killing ends”. Jesus said “Love your enemies” and “pray for those who persecute you.” Forgiveness is the first act of love for our enemies, but such forgiveness heals us personally.

The God I know forgave the zealots. In our modern day, would the failure of “Tea-Party” zealotry be considered an act of God? No, things happen because of people’s choices.

Was what happened to the nation of Israel God’s doing? It appears to me that people with free will chose to destroy the nation.

 

[Sarcelle]

The historybooks will be harsh on the americans and israelis… Of that I’m certain…

Iran was being ruled by colonial masters. They rose up and took control of their nation. One might disagree with islamic rule but that’s the fact of what happened.

It’s an american phenomenon. But it’s also a good measure on just how much catholicism has been protestantized in america. According to the catholic and Orthodox church (as well as all other churches except american dispensationalists) Israel is the church before christ and the new Israel is the church.

In Europe - Israel is viewed as the biggest threat to world peace

Source?

If.you are.right, I am not surprised. Europe has a long history of anti-Semitism or more.specifically anti-Jewishness.

 

[GEddie]

Jesus forgave while being harmed physically. Saints have done the same. I agree, though, it is extremely difficult.

If we “wait until the killing ends”, then we may have to wait forever. The Gospel stands for forgiveness. Jesus did not say “forgive the Romans when the killing ends”. Jesus said “Love your enemies” and “pray for those who persecute you.” Forgiveness is the first act of love for our enemies, but such forgiveness heals us personally.

The God I know forgave the zealots. In our modern day, would the failure of “Tea-Party” zealotry be considered an act of God? No, things happen because of people’s choices.

Was what happened to the nation of Israel God’s doing? It appears to me that people with free will chose to destroy the nation.

One can forgive while oneself is being harmed, but an entire nation cannot be expected to do the same.

While I am not part of the Tea Party, I can’t equate them (a law-abiding protest movement) with violent resisters either now or in the ancient past. No, the TP did not fail because of an act of God, they failed because their message was not wanted by the majority.

I still say there would be no nations today if a history of injustice disqualified their existence.

ICXC NIKA

 

[OneSheep]

One can forgive while oneself is being harmed, but an entire nation cannot be expected to do the same.

Are you giving up? Why would we do any less than hope for the Kingdom of God? Yes, absolutely, we can encourage forgiveness. Expect? That sounds pushy. People do not get pushed into forgiving.

While I am not part of the Tea Party, I can’t equate them (a law-abiding protest movement) with violent resisters either now or in the ancient past. No, the TP did not fail because of an act of God, they failed because their message was not wanted by the majority.

I did not equate them. I was making a point about people’s choices.