"Not to solemnize marriage at the forbidden times"

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I was trying to get a better understanding of the sixth precept of the Church, “not to solemnize marriage at the forbidden times,…”

Can anyone help me to better understand what exactly this means? :o

Thanks!
 
Uhm… I’m not sure where you’re reading this. The Catechism, 2042 & 2043, only define 5 precepts of the Church. I don’t there is such a 6th one.

Josh
 
threej_lc said:
Uhm… I’m not sure where you’re reading this. The Catechism, 2042 & 2043, only define 5 precepts of the Church. I don’t there is such a 6th one.

Josh
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Yup. Only five…
where did you get that one??? :cool:
 
E.E.N.S said:
I was trying to get a better understanding of the sixth precept of the Church, “not to solemnize marriage at the forbidden times,…”

Can anyone help me to better understand what exactly this means? :o

Thanks!
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First, there are a selection of forbidden times where one is not to solemnize marriage (to get married).

A couple can get married during Lent (though I belive not on Ash Wednesday, or three days before Easter, or on Easter). If the marriage takes place during Lent, it must reflect the penitential nature of the season (this may limit allowed wedding colors).
 
noma said:
First, there are a selection of forbidden times where one is not to solemnize marriage (to get married).

A couple can get married during Lent (though I belive not on Ash Wednesday, or three days before Easter, or on Easter). If the marriage takes place during Lent, it must reflect the penitential nature of the season (this may limit allowed wedding colors).
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Thanks! 🙂
 
E.E.N.S said:
The Baronius Press Missal (1962) 😉
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Hmm…so since the Catechism was published after that date does that mean there are still only 5 precepts and that 6th no longer is considered a precept, but more a rule/guideline which pertains to marriage ceremonies?
 
I have never in over sixty years of being an active Catholic heard of this as a precept of the Church. Only five are listed in the CCC paragraph 2041 CF, with supporting the Church at least at one time a Sixth one. Yes there are certain times when marriages are not performed, but because of a Precept or Commandment of the Church?
 
YinYangMom said:
Hmm…so since the Catechism was published after that date does that mean there are still only 5 precepts and that 6th no longer is considered a precept, but more a rule/guideline which pertains to marriage ceremonies?
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rwoehmke said:
I have never in over sixty years of being an active Catholic heard of this as a precept of the Church. Only five are listed in the CCC paragraph 2041 CF, with supporting the Church at least at one time a Sixth one. Yes there are certain times when marriages are not performed, but because of a Precept or Commandment of the Church?
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Check this link, it basically says the same thing as my missal:
preces-latinae.org/thesaurus/Numeri/SexPrae.html
 
YinYangMom said:
Hmm…so since the Catechism was published after that date does that mean there are still only 5 precepts and that 6th no longer is considered a precept, but more a rule/guideline which pertains to marriage ceremonies?
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rwoehmke said:
I have never in over sixty years of being an active Catholic heard of this as a precept of the Church. Only five are listed in the CCC paragraph 2041 CF, with supporting the Church at least at one time a Sixth one. Yes there are certain times when marriages are not performed, but because of a Precept or Commandment of the Church?
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Check this link, it basically says the same thing as my missal:
preces-latinae.org/thesaurus/Numeri/SexPrae.html
 
E.E.N.S said:
Check this link, it basically says the same thing as my missal:
preces-latinae.org/thesaurus/Numeri/SexPrae.html
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“basically”???

in that link it cites the catechism 2041-2043:

2041 The precepts of the Church are set in the context of a moral life bound to and nourished by liturgical life. the obligatory character of these positive laws decreed by the pastoral authorities is meant to guarantee to the faithful the indispensable minimum in the spirit of prayer and moral effort, in the growth in love of God and neighbor:

2042 The first precept (“You shall attend Mass on Sundays and holy days of obligation.") requires the faithful to participate in the Eucharistic celebration when the Christian community gathers together on the day commemorating the Resurrection of the Lord.

The second precept (“You shall confess your sins at least once a year.") ensures preparation for the Eucharist by the reception of the sacrament of reconciliation, which continues Baptism’s work of conversion and forgiveness.

The third precept (“You shall humbly receive your Creator in Holy Communion at least during the Easter season.") guarantees as a minimum the reception of the Lord’s Body and Blood in connection with the Paschal feasts, the origin and center of the Christian liturgy.

2043 The fourth precept (“You shall keep holy the holy days of obligation.") completes the Sunday observance by participation in the principal liturgical feasts which honor the mysteries of the Lord, the Virgin Mary, and the saints.

The fifth precept (“You shall observe the prescribed days of fasting and abstinence.") ensures the times of ascesis and penance which prepare us for the liturgical feasts; they help us acquire mastery over our instincts and freedom of heart.

The faithful also have the duty of providing for the material needs of the Church, each according to his abilities.

Please note, there are still only 5 precepts in the Catechism…
The site you provided says: "The list below is the one for the United States. (See CCC: 2041-2043) " and then it proceeds to list 6 precepts. That confuses me.

Right before that sentence they wrote: “The list varies from region to region”…well, perhaps that accounts for 6 in some areas and 5 in the other, but it was my understanding that the Catechism applies to **all **RomanCatholics, so if the Catechism lists 5 then there are 5. Perhaps a particular region can add the 6th to their list???

I don’t doubt that the 6th exists under Canon Law. What I question is whether or not it is truly a precept as opposed to a law, and perhaps that’s why it is not listed in the Catechism under Precepts.
 
There were originally 7 precepts of the Church (traditional)

1] To keep holy the day of the Lord’s resurrection…

2] To lead a sacramental life (communion and confession.,…)

3] To study Catholic teaching in preparation for Confirmation…

4] Observe the marriage laws of the Church, give religious training to children,

5] To strengthen and support the Church, parish, community…

6] To do penance, fast…

7] To join in the missionary spirit… of the Church

We now observe 5 which in fact include, or incorporate the original seven…

1] Attend Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation

2] Confess at least once a year

3] Receive Eucharist during Easter season

4] Observe days of fasting and abstinence

5] Help provide for the needs of the Church
 
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There were originally 7 precepts of the Church (traditional)

1] To keep holy the day of the Lord’s resurrection…

2] To lead a sacramental life (communion and confession.,…)

3] To study Catholic teaching in preparation for Confirmation…

4] Observe the marriage laws of the Church, give religious training to children,

5] To strengthen and support the Church, parish, community…

6] To do penance, fast…

7] To join in the missionary spirit… of the Church

We now observe 5 which in fact include, or incorporate the original seven…

1] Attend Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation

2] Confess at least once a year

3] Receive Eucharist during Easter season

4] Observe days of fasting and abstinence

5] Help provide for the needs of the Church
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Hmmm… where is # 4 of the original incorporated? It looks like #5 and #7 became #5…but I really don’t see a reference to the original #4 (and the OPs #6).
 
YinYangMom said:
“basically”???

in that link it cites the catechism 2041-2043:

2041 The precepts of the Church are set in the context of a moral life bound to and nourished by liturgical life. the obligatory character of these positive laws decreed by the pastoral authorities is meant to guarantee to the faithful the indispensable minimum in the spirit of prayer and moral effort, in the growth in love of God and neighbor:

2042 The first precept (“You shall attend Mass on Sundays and holy days of obligation.") requires the faithful to participate in the Eucharistic celebration when the Christian community gathers together on the day commemorating the Resurrection of the Lord.

The second precept (“You shall confess your sins at least once a year.") ensures preparation for the Eucharist by the reception of the sacrament of reconciliation, which continues Baptism’s work of conversion and forgiveness.

The third precept (“You shall humbly receive your Creator in Holy Communion at least during the Easter season.") guarantees as a minimum the reception of the Lord’s Body and Blood in connection with the Paschal feasts, the origin and center of the Christian liturgy.

2043 The fourth precept (“You shall keep holy the holy days of obligation.") completes the Sunday observance by participation in the principal liturgical feasts which honor the mysteries of the Lord, the Virgin Mary, and the saints.

The fifth precept (“You shall observe the prescribed days of fasting and abstinence.") ensures the times of ascesis and penance which prepare us for the liturgical feasts; they help us acquire mastery over our instincts and freedom of heart.

The faithful also have the duty of providing for the material needs of the Church, each according to his abilities.

Please note, there are still only 5 precepts in the Catechism…
The site you provided says: "The list below is the one for the United States. (See CCC: 2041-2043) " and then it proceeds to list 6 precepts. That confuses me.

Right before that sentence they wrote: “The list varies from region to region”…well, perhaps that accounts for 6 in some areas and 5 in the other, but it was my understanding that the Catechism applies to **all **RomanCatholics, so if the Catechism lists 5 then there are 5. Perhaps a particular region can add the 6th to their list???

I don’t doubt that the 6th exists under Canon Law. What I question is whether or not it is truly a precept as opposed to a law, and perhaps that’s why it is not listed in the Catechism under Precepts.
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That’s why I said “basically…” the list of 6 precepts are the same (not the rest of the information, largely due to the fact that my 1962 missal would not be citing the current CCC 😉 )
 
As an 8th grade RE instructor, these things matter…especially as we get into the section on precepts of the church…(minimal requirements, so to speak)…so I think I’ll stick with the Catechism.

Interesting catch, though, E.E.N.S…thanks for bringing it up.
 
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