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snoopy
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Hooray, finally someone gets it!!!
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JCPhoenix
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Uh…speaking as a woman…
The task in front of them…you mean…like encouraging the male boss to give them a raise? OK, I’ll buy that.
Traffic conditions…well, hitchiking is illegal in most places, but…well, what the heck. To each their own. In New York, though, they tend to refer to these women as “hookers” or “streetwalkers”, but tha’ts the same terminology as my area, too.
What they might fix for dinner? Well, there is that famous line, “Coffee…tea…or me?”
Where to go for lunch…a strip club? A motel?
WHAT else would have to be on someone’s mind to show CLEAVAGE at work, unless the woman (or transvestite, here in in my area) in question is working as a stripper?
Of course, those who subscribe to the Erin Brockovitch course on professional dress may disagree, but there is no reason to wear miniskirts and low cut unbuttoned sheer transparent blouses over darker-colored Victorias’s (not-so) Secret brassieres.
The proof is in the puddin’, my friend.
Of course, it’s POSSIBLE that some women are clueless enough so as to NOT understand that showing too much skin in a professional atmosphere is not appropriate…after all, it’s pretty common in our culture. But I know my company has a dress code which addresses this type of thing…and still doesn’t manage to prevent some women from showing everythign they have and then some.
Now, I work in a job that does tend to require pants…sure, I can be feminine in skirts and such, but crawling under cars, wading through snow and flood waters, etc. to access wrecked cars is not appropriate in skirts.
If you’re looking for evidence, please allow me to provide some…when I dressed like that in my past, I was doing so for a reason…TO SHOW OFF MY “GIFTS”. To get the attention and admiration of men. To objectify myself and outo the other women who also bought into the current culture.
I’m your witness, my friend, and those who are flaunting it do NOT have modesty in mind.
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tgerlinger143
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I have started wearing skirts instead of pants over the past 2 years. Yes, it is a modesty issue, but it is more than that, because you can also wear pants that are modest (pants that don’t cling). I can’t really explain why I am more comfortable wearing long skirts now (In the winter, I wear ski pants underneath and this combo really keeps me warm). All I can say is that it came as I slowly as I started to really look at Mary as my model.
I noticed too that I have a better relationship with my husband now-- I think because subconciously, I am acknowledging who “wears the pants in the house”. I used to be very combative and domineering with my husband in the past, and now, I am just more submissive. Not that I have become a doormat- -far from it. He and I are more submissive together. We just get along better somehow. I cannot put my finger on it. Could this be all because I am wearing a dress and he is wearing pants?
In the love and joy of Jesus,
Teresa
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deb1
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I think this is an individual thing. For you wearing dresses has had a positive impac,t for me it made me judgemental of those who made different choices then I did.
When I first became a christian I used to wonder why God did not leave more explicit instructions on how to dress among other things. Now I am amazed at how clearly God understands our unique personalities. What is helpful to some is a hindrance to others.
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Celia
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I tend to wear jeans every day and dark colored dress pants to work with a sweater or cardigan or blouse. I dress it up with jewelry, my hair is done, etc. I don’t need to wear a skirt to feel feminine. Plus, I tend to look fat in skirts and especially dresses. (I’ve packed on a few pounds recently and it all has settled in my tummy and hips. 
) I have yet to find a dress that looks good on me since I wore my wedding dress. Seriously. I have a black courdoroy skirt that I wear in the summer sometimes with a cardigan that is like the only one that looks decent on me.
I don’t know where you ladies are shopping but I’d sure like to know where you are finding good fitting, fashionable dresses these days! Everywhere I go is old lady stuff.
My husband doesn’t care what I wear…as long as I’m covered!
You can be modest in a pair of not-too-tight jeans and a sweater. I do it every day. Plus, I have to wait for the bus every day to work and standing in 16 degree weather in upstate NY with a skirt on does not sound like fun to me. Those knit tights and legwarmers are itchy as all get out (my mom used to make me wear them with my plaid jumper to school back in the day) and they’re ugly too. So as much as I try to be modest,I don’t think that skirts and dresses are going to become a regular part of my wardrobe for now. Kudos to you ladies that can handle it though I 'spose.
) I have yet to find a dress that looks good on me since I wore my wedding dress. Seriously. I have a black courdoroy skirt that I wear in the summer sometimes with a cardigan that is like the only one that looks decent on me.I don’t know where you ladies are shopping but I’d sure like to know where you are finding good fitting, fashionable dresses these days! Everywhere I go is old lady stuff.
My husband doesn’t care what I wear…as long as I’m covered!
You can be modest in a pair of not-too-tight jeans and a sweater. I do it every day. Plus, I have to wait for the bus every day to work and standing in 16 degree weather in upstate NY with a skirt on does not sound like fun to me. Those knit tights and legwarmers are itchy as all get out (my mom used to make me wear them with my plaid jumper to school back in the day) and they’re ugly too. So as much as I try to be modest,I don’t think that skirts and dresses are going to become a regular part of my wardrobe for now. Kudos to you ladies that can handle it though I 'spose.
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deb1
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I am not saying that any of these women are guilty of this…But there is a tendency among some fundamentalist women to confuse dumpiness with modesty. For these women, they actually ruin themselves as a witness to Christ. Let’s face it,being a Christian woman does not means that you have to wear loose, ill fitting clothing that makes you stand out in a crowd. WHich is, of course, the opposite of modesty.
I have known women that could dress very well in only skirts and dresses and look nice, but for some odd reason, I wasn’t one of these women.
As far as only being old ladies clothes, sadly the makers of younger women’s clothes no longer market modest clothing to young people.For my hubby’s Christmas party I just purchased a pair of gray pin striped paints, a white turtle neck and low boots. I feel very feminine and attractive in this attire. Plus it is modest. Everything is covered and it is not too tight or overly loose.
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tgerlinger143
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This is the big challenge: how to dress modestly and NOT look dumpy. I am not skinny myself so this is a challenge. I find the straight-cut long skirts actually becoming. The past two seasons, long skirts have become quite fashionable and easily available in many shops. I prefer the straight cut rather then the wide skirt to hide my belly, and with a sweater or jacket over it, it really works well for me. I wear ski pants underneath the skirt and long leather boots to keep me warm, and I have never been warmer in the winter.I am not saying that any of these women are guilty of this…But there is a tendency among some fundamentalist women to confuse dumpiness with modesty. For these women, they actually ruin themselves as a witness to Christ. Let’s face it,being a Christian woman does not means that you have to wear loose, ill fitting clothing that makes you stand out in a crowd. WHich is, of course, the opposite of modesty.
I have known women that could dress very well in only skirts and dresses and look nice, but for some odd reason, I wasn’t one of these women.
For my hubby’s Christmas party I just purchased a pair of gray pin striped paints, a white turtle neck and low boots. I feel very feminine and attractive in this attire. Plus it is modest. Everything is covered and it is not too tight or overly loose.
I personally feel good dressing this way. It is now so easy, no big deal and I have arranged my wardrobe around some really nice woolen long skirts that easily match with shirts and sweaters.
I don’t believe that all women should not wear pants but for myself, it is a personal preference that uplifts my spirit.
God bless you all with His great peace and joy,
Teresa.
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BenedictCthlc
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:yup:
What a co-inka-dink,
Same experience. When I started RCIA, I was in the process of changing basically my whole life. I wanted to CHANGE everything about me, and as I had been a big wearer of short skirts, (I am 5’9’’, my legs are my asset, I thought)I started wearing mid-calf length dresses, very loose. I felt SO self-concious! like a big, tall FRUMP
and this seemed to make me more concious of what others were wearing too! NOT what I want to be focusing on during mass. no way…Also most of the other women, wear PANTS. Even the “older, wonderfully devout, passionately in love with Jesus, and the Church”, president of the alter society always wears knit slacks. And I consider her a saint. So now I often wear pants (loose ones
), especially at Sunday vigil, and during ordinary time. I top it with a blouse or sweater nicer than what I would wear on a normal day, in reverence of being in church. I do like to dress up for feast days, and during the season of Christmas and I’ll put on a dress and heels, then I am 6" tall! Blessings Susan
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Magicsilence
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The path is narrow and few shall find it.
There is a muslim girl who sometimes visits her future partner who lives on the same floor as me.
I have only once seen her in jeans.
That is the only time I had to fight temptation against chastity.
The problem is so wide spread and has so infiltrated the Church we have glossed over it.
You are all complaining that in the cold weather you just HAVE to wear trousers.
Perhaps, but let it be under a skirt.
Think of the Blessed Virgin.
Think of St Francis.
No trousers to be seen.
When you are saying things like: “I want to be feminine, attractive and stylish” what exactly is the focal point of your life.
If wearing trousers has caused even just one man to look at you and sin then you are guilty of that sin. (sweeping judgement, I know, but, in principle)
I know its hard.
And yes, the tight ones are obviously wrong. But so are the others. Jeans in themselves and trousers in general show the world the shape of the womans legs. The tight ones just more so.
I dont think I would hang upsidedown on monkey bars in public, and cannot imagine a woman doing so with her child.
We have had women rear children for a long time without trousers. Why cant you do so?
The issue here is choice.
Just because everybody is wearing trousers, doesnt make it right.
Think of the Blessed Virgin.
God gave us THE example to follow.
So, you’ll stand out in the crowd?
Good. Be mocked for the sake of Christ.
The reason people are stating this as an obstacle is that it is a useful one. If we are standing out in the crowd we are being prideful.
NOT TRUE.
When my priest walks into the street with his collar proudly showing, is he sinning?
He is a witness to the world.
You can do the same.
In Christ.
Andre.
There is a muslim girl who sometimes visits her future partner who lives on the same floor as me.
I have only once seen her in jeans.
That is the only time I had to fight temptation against chastity.
The problem is so wide spread and has so infiltrated the Church we have glossed over it.
You are all complaining that in the cold weather you just HAVE to wear trousers.
Perhaps, but let it be under a skirt.
Think of the Blessed Virgin.
Think of St Francis.
No trousers to be seen.
When you are saying things like: “I want to be feminine, attractive and stylish” what exactly is the focal point of your life.
If wearing trousers has caused even just one man to look at you and sin then you are guilty of that sin. (sweeping judgement, I know, but, in principle)
I know its hard.
And yes, the tight ones are obviously wrong. But so are the others. Jeans in themselves and trousers in general show the world the shape of the womans legs. The tight ones just more so.
I dont think I would hang upsidedown on monkey bars in public, and cannot imagine a woman doing so with her child.
We have had women rear children for a long time without trousers. Why cant you do so?
The issue here is choice.
Just because everybody is wearing trousers, doesnt make it right.
Think of the Blessed Virgin.
God gave us THE example to follow.
So, you’ll stand out in the crowd?
Good. Be mocked for the sake of Christ.
The reason people are stating this as an obstacle is that it is a useful one. If we are standing out in the crowd we are being prideful.
NOT TRUE.
When my priest walks into the street with his collar proudly showing, is he sinning?
He is a witness to the world.
You can do the same.
In Christ.
Andre.
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Karin
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When the Pope comes out and Says "WOMAN CAN NOT WEAR PANTS and makes it part of CHURCH LAW than I will change.The path is narrow and few shall find it.
There is a muslim girl who sometimes visits her future partner who lives on the same floor as me. Do you chaperone? Do you make sure that they are not alone and not SINNING?!?! Or do you just make sure that woman are not wearing pants/trousers?
I have only once seen her in jeans. What does she usually wear?
That is the only time I had to fight temptation against chastity. REALLY?!?!? What about all of those OTHER times you saw woman in pants??
The problem is so wide spread and has so infiltrated the Church we have glossed over it.
You are all complaining that in the cold weather you just HAVE to wear trousers.
Perhaps, but let it be under a skirt.
Think of the Blessed Virgin.
Think of St Francis.
No trousers to be seen.
When you are saying things like: “I want to be feminine, attractive and stylish” what exactly is the focal point of your life.
If wearing trousers has caused even just one man to look at you and sin then you are guilty of that sin. (sweeping judgement, I know, but, in principle)
I know its hard.
And yes, the tight ones are obviously wrong. But so are the others. Jeans in themselves and trousers in general show the world the shape of the womans legs. The tight ones just more so. So do certain skirts and dresses just depends on the fabric they are made from
I dont think I would hang upsidedown on monkey bars in public, and cannot imagine a woman doing so with her child. REALLY…I have done it with both of my sons (and many other young moms do it also)…it is FUN :bounce: or is that wrong too in your eyes?
We have had women rear children for a long time without trousers. Why cant you do so? **Why should I? **
The issue here is choice. Exactly!
Just because everybody is wearing trousers, doesnt make it right. **Does not make it wrong either!
Think of the Blessed Virgin.
God gave us THE example to follow. Well he wore pants …
So, you’ll stand out in the crowd?
Good. Be mocked for the sake of Christ.
The reason people are stating this as an obstacle is that it is a useful one. If we are standing out in the crowd we are being prideful.
NOT TRUE.
When my priest walks into the street with his collar proudly showing, is he sinning?
He is a witness to the world.
You can do the same.
In Christ.
Andre.
Right now I see nothing wrong with gals wearing comfortable pants/trousers (not the ones that show all). It seems to me that men just have “issues” with woman wearing pants and men can not control themselves no matter what a woman wears?!?!
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vluvski
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So, uh, what are you wearing today, with St. Francis as your example? When your priest walks around town with the collar, is he wearing pants, or does he ALWAYS wear a cassock?
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Kristina_P
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I have to say I agree with you here. I think there are plenty of good reasons for wearing skirts and dresses, but it would be silly and prideful of any layperson to label something as sin when the Church has not done so. Also, it’s important for women to keep men’s chastity in mind when they’re dressing, but there does come a point when men just have to learn to control themselves and stop blaming women’s dress for every slip-up. Men are responsible for their own sins, and a woman dressing modestly in good faith and in good conscience should not have to feel guilty about a man’s lack of self-control. I mean, how far are we gonna take this? Should I just stay locked up in my apartment, draped in layers of thick cloth, Taliban-style?
On the whole pants thing, again, the Church hasn’t said anything about it, it’s no longer considered uniquely masculine dress, and it’s absolutely possible to be feminine and modest in pants. It’s a matter of personal conscience.
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BenedictCthlc
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Kristina P.:
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deb1
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I don’t want any of the lovely ladies on this board who choose to wear dresses to think that I am in any way not supportive of your decision to do so. I just think that this particular poster came across as judgmental over an issue that there is plenty of room for differing opinon. Being a Christian can be hard enough, let’s respect one another’s choices.The path is narrow and few shall find it.
There is a muslim girl who sometimes visits her future partner who lives on the same floor as me.
With all due respect to the girl in question, you have no idea if she is leading a chaste life with her boyfriend. You are simply making a judgement call based on her clothing. This is wrong. I can remember during the first Gulf War knowing a couple of very outwardly religious women who had affairs on their absent hubbies.
I have only once seen her in jeans.
That is the only time I had to fight temptation against chastity.
The problem is so wide spread and has so infiltrated the Church we have glossed over it.
You are all complaining that in the cold weather you just HAVE to wear trousers.
I agree. We shouldn’t say that we have to wear Jeans or make excuses for wearing pants. There is no reason to do so. Pants and jeans are not only comfortable but they are feminine and can be modest, as well. So I won’t say that I HAVE to wear pants. I want to wear pants.
Perhaps, but let it be under a skirt.
WOuldn’t this be defeating the purpose of wearing a skirt.
Think of the Blessed Virgin.
Think of St Francis.
I do.
No trousers to be seen.
The Virgen Mary dressed in a way that was appropriate to her station in life and culture. We have no way of knowing what sort of clothing she would wear today, but I find it hard to believe that she wouldn’t have donned a pair of jeans to play with her young son.
By the way men didn’t wear trousers back then. Are you wearing a kilt right now? I have nothing against kilts but I can’t imagine my hubby wearing one to work.
When you are saying things like: “I want to be feminine, attractive and stylish” what exactly is the focal point of your life.
It is not the focal point of our lives. But, there is nothing sinful about wanting to look feminine, attractive and stylish. WHere did you get this idea from?
If wearing trousers has caused even just one man to look at you and sin then you are guilty of that sin. (sweeping judgement, I know, but, in principle)
My goodness. If all women wore Taliban style garb, there would be some men who would find a way to be aroused. If this wasn’t true there would be no honor killings in Muslim societies.
I know its hard.
And yes, the tight ones are obviously wrong. But so are the others. Jeans in themselves and trousers in general show the world the shape of the womans legs. The tight ones just more so.
I dont think I would hang upsidedown on monkey bars in public, and cannot imagine a woman doing so with her child.
You must not have children. Not all women like to sit quietly on the sidelines. SOme of us like to get dirty with our kids.
We have had women rear children for a long time without trousers. Why cant you do so?
Women of long ago did many things that I do not wish to do now. Wearing air restricting corsets and layers of clothing is not something that I envy my foremothers for.
Have you ever read cultural history books on our foreparents? Or the novel Tom Jones, history of a foundling by Fielding, or even the Decamaron?(Spelling incorrect) Despite the fashion of long ago, people were every bit as dirty as they are now.
The issue here is choice.
You and I are in complete agreement.
Just because everybody is wearing trousers, doesnt make it right.
Neither does it make it wrong.
Think of the Blessed Virgin.
God gave us THE example to follow.
So, you’ll stand out in the crowd?
Good. Be mocked for the sake of Christ.
The reason people are stating this as an obstacle is that it is a useful one. If we are standing out in the crowd we are being prideful.
Didn’t Jewish men wear long robes? Why aren’t you doing so?.
NOT TRUE.
When my priest walks into the street with his collar proudly showing, is he sinning?
He is a witness to the world.
You can do the same.
Why can’t I be a witness to the world in my jeans?
In Christ.
Andre.
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Elphaba
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I would like to add that it was the excommunicated Bp Williamson of the SSPX that released Cardinal Siri’s notice to the general public NOT the regular clergy in Italy, where the notice was kept.
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LSK
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I alternate my office wear but I have to be honest with you all…this was written in 1960…and I do not think it really applies to me today. I am a woman, and I feel and act like a woman no matter if I am wearing jeans, dress pants, long skirts or short skirts. I know that might not fit in with the mind set of today’s conservative Catholic, but I thank the women’s movement for teaching me that what I look like does not define me as a person. And I thank the Catholic Church for reaffirming that for me - that what I look like is not ME - but reminding me that the way I dress should be with dignity and modesty. I can achieve that in either pants or dresses.
Now, on the practical side, I work for the government. Government buildings are the most poorly heated, poorly ventilated and poorly maintained buildings known to mankind. As of right now I am absolutly freezing. I have on a pretty skirt outfit because I am attending Mass this evening for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception. I have my space heater on aimed at my feet and my coat wrapped around me because, in December, the cold air is whistling through the vent that is aimed at my head…if I could, I would be dressed in a snow suit…
Now, on the practical side, I work for the government. Government buildings are the most poorly heated, poorly ventilated and poorly maintained buildings known to mankind. As of right now I am absolutly freezing. I have on a pretty skirt outfit because I am attending Mass this evening for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception. I have my space heater on aimed at my feet and my coat wrapped around me because, in December, the cold air is whistling through the vent that is aimed at my head…if I could, I would be dressed in a snow suit…
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ladylinguist
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Just my two cents:
I almost always wear pants unless there is some specific, formal occasion that demands otherwise. I don’t feel that by doing so I am being immodest or denying my femininity. It is entirely possible to be womanly in a pair of slacks. I feel feminine even in my beloved ratty old cords and my favorite broken in sweatshirt. I wear jeans and tees most of the time, because that’s what I’m comfortable wearing. I don’t think a woman’s femininity is defined by what she wears, but by how she carries herself and behaves. The most feminine women I know rarely wear skirts, but they’re still very feminine. It’s a mindset, not an appearance.
As for work clothes, since I’m in the military I don’t have to worry about what I’m going to wear. But would I be accused of trying to be like a man because I wear the same thing as male sailors? I think not.
I think the matter of dress is a personal one. As long as one is making an effort to be modest (and as a 21 year old, I know how hard it is to find modest clothing be they pants or skirts), I don’t think the choice of pants or skirts should be an issue.
I almost always wear pants unless there is some specific, formal occasion that demands otherwise. I don’t feel that by doing so I am being immodest or denying my femininity. It is entirely possible to be womanly in a pair of slacks. I feel feminine even in my beloved ratty old cords and my favorite broken in sweatshirt. I wear jeans and tees most of the time, because that’s what I’m comfortable wearing. I don’t think a woman’s femininity is defined by what she wears, but by how she carries herself and behaves. The most feminine women I know rarely wear skirts, but they’re still very feminine. It’s a mindset, not an appearance.
As for work clothes, since I’m in the military I don’t have to worry about what I’m going to wear. But would I be accused of trying to be like a man because I wear the same thing as male sailors?
I think not.I think the matter of dress is a personal one. As long as one is making an effort to be modest (and as a 21 year old, I know how hard it is to find modest clothing be they pants or skirts), I don’t think the choice of pants or skirts should be an issue.
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