Notre Dame campus newspaper refuses to publish Charlie Rice article which defends Chruch teaching on homosexuality

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It’s like I always say, Catholic schools just aren’t Catholic.
 
SHAME ON NOTRE DAME!!!:mad:
This University is going downhill fast.
 
From what i’ve seen in the past and now this, the president of notre dame needs a visit from the vatican; if the bishops can’t solve the problem. Someone doesn’t understand the word catholic.
 
The editor of the student newspaper noted the sensitivity around the topic of homosexuality which resulted from the paper’s decision, a month or two ago, to run a cartoon whose joke was “How do you turn a fruit into a vegetable?” Answer: hit him with a baseball bat.

The cartoon strip was discontinued in the resulting uproar, but the new editor apparently still is concerned. Its hard to evaluate whether his concern is misplaced given we don’t know what language in Prof Rice’s column was considered offensive. Does anyone have a copy of Rice’s intended article?

As for Rice’s complaint that previous editors allowed him to ignore the word limit in articles, c’mon. A new editor is in office and now enforcing the standards. Adapt to it.
 
My understanding is that the Observer is a completely independent newspaper, with no official ties to (or oversight from) the University.

So, what’s said in the Observer, or what the Observer does, shouldn’t be attributed to Notre Dame itself – except in so far as the Observer is student run. But, obviously only a small group of students run it. . .

There are other newspapers at the University as well.

VC
 
centurionguard said:
Makes no sense to me why a so called Catholic University wouldn’t print this article unless they feared loosing a large sum of money from a large populace of homosexual student constituents who already attend the university.
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centurionguard,

I’m not sure that would be the reason because the decision, as I understand it, wasn’t made by the University but by a few students who run the independent newspaper.

I think we ought to be careful not to attribute the actions of the Observer (or any of the other independents) directly to the University itself.

VC
 
As an alum, The Observer is a student run newpaper. Notre Dame Magazine **is a whole other story.

And while I don’t always agree with what the University does (awarding Pres. Obama the honorary degree), I think a large number of people overlook the extreme good they have done for the South Bend Community and elsewhere. They are the only campus I know that has a huge building called the Center for Social Concerns. Community service is a way of life there. I wish some of those stories would be reported!********
 
Verbum_Caro said:
I think we ought to be careful not to attribute the actions of the Observer (or any of the other independents) directly to the University itself.

VC
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Well, the University had Barack Obama address the graduation ceremonies, and is prosecuting people who peacefully protested that. So I would say it’s not too unfair to think of the two in the same way.

Oh, I should add that Dr. Rice taught my son at one point. Rice has his own point of view and isn’t afraid to put it out there. I can’t agree with his every act and statement, but I am persuaded that he’s a good man and a faithful Catholic. As a Professor Emeritus of ND, he should be given more respect than this paper gave him.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Well, the University had Barack Obama address the graduation ceremonies, and is prosecuting people who peacefully protested that. So I would say it’s not too unfair to think of the two in the same way.
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Hmmmm. But again, the *Observer *is student run and independent. What if the *Observer *condemned the Obama fiasco? Would you be prepared to attribute that to the University and say that the University strongly condemned Obama, even if the President went ahead with the invite?

Like I said above, the Observer and the University aren’t completely distinct, but it is a very limited picture: just one small group of students.

VC
 
Verbum_Caro said:
Hmmmm. But again, the *Observer *is student run and independent. What if the *Observer *condemned the Obama fiasco? Would you be prepared to attribute that to the University and say that the University strongly condemned Obama, even if the President went ahead with the invite?

Like I said above, the Observer and the University aren’t completely distinct, but it is a very limited picture: just one small group of students.

VC
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We can imagine all sorts of things, but the reality this time is that the Observer and the University seem to be similar in they way they view things. Perhaps at other times they don’t, but this exchange seems to suggest that they probably don’t diverge too much.
 
Ridgerunner said:
We can imagine all sorts of things, but the reality this time is that the Observer and the University seem to be similar in they way they view things. Perhaps at other times they don’t, but this exchange seems to suggest that they probably don’t diverge too much.
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Well, that seems to be a different kettle of fish in my opinion. I think it would be one thing to say that the Observer is making a mistake here, and needs some Catholic vitamins; just like the University did wrong (re: Obama) and needs some Catholic vitamins. But a coincidence of bad choice (in two separate and distinct areas) doesn’t suggest to me that we ought to identify the Observer with the University itself.

VC
 
There is nothing whatever offensive in the linked article by Prof. Rice. Here is an excerpt:
"It would be a mistake to view the homosexual issue as simply a question of individual rights. The militant “gay rights” movement seeks a cultural and legal redefinition of marriage and the family, contrary to the reality rooted in reason as well as faith. Marriage, a union of man and woman, is the creation not of the state but of God himself as seen in Genesis."He merely restates the teaching of the Church. This should not be offensive in a paper which serves the Notre Dame community.
 
JimG said:
He merely restates the teaching of the Church. This should not be offensive in a paper which serves the Notre Dame community.
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Amen to that Jim.

I think what is going on here is the kids running the paper are too timid. We ought to never be ashamed of Church teaching.

VC
 
Verbum_Caro said:
Well, that seems to be a different kettle of fish in my opinion. I think it would be one thing to say that the Observer is making a mistake here, and needs some Catholic vitamins; just like the University did wrong (re: Obama) and needs some Catholic vitamins. But a coincidence of bad choice (in two separate and distinct areas) doesn’t suggest to me that we ought to identify the Observer with the University itself.

VC
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Speaking of fish. They rot from the head down, don’t they? 🙂
 
Verbum_Caro said:
Yes.

And speaking of fish. . . some newspapers are good for wrapping fish!

VC
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So I’m told, particularly by a local talk radio guy who hates the regional newspaper. 🙂 Come to think of it, other than the super-local paper where I can read who died and whether the city is going to fix the sidewalks or not, and The National Catholic Register which I read from front to back, I think that might be the “highest and best use” (as appraisers say) of newspapers generally. 🙂 (Am I getting cranky in my old age?) :rotfl::rotfl:
 
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