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I have a child interested in attending Notre Dame.

Just wondering…
  1. Is it really the cozy “family” atmosphere I’ve heard about?
  2. Do they make a point to admit more Catholics than non-Catholics, or does religion not play a role in the admissions process?
  3. Did you feel it was worth the money?
  4. Do they have mandatory mass attendance?
 
I have a child interested in attending Notre Dame.

Just wondering…
  1. Is it really the cozy “family” atmosphere I’ve heard about?
  2. Do they make a point to admit more Catholics than non-Catholics, or does religion not play a role in the admissions process?
  3. Did you feel it was worth the money?
  4. Do they have mandatory mass attendance?
One of my graduate degrees is from ND and I can tell you without a doubt that it is really a “family” atmosphere. They care about each and every student.

As far as I know religion does not play a role in admission but over 80%, maybe more are Catholic.

My degree was subsidized by a grant so I didn’t pay full tuition…and it was a grad degree, so I think it was worth it. Depends on what you mean by worth it? If you get the education that you are seeking then it is worth it.

No, they don’t have mandatory Mass attendance (I don’t know any major Catholic Universities that do) but they do have Mass in each and every dorm on Sundays and once during the week. There is Mass several times a day at the Basilica and there are confessions every day. There is a very active campus ministry, two WONDERFUL choirs (one very famous), they have a Latin Mass on campus (one of the first Catholic Universities to offer one after the Moto Proprio was issued) and of course there is the grotto and the ever visible presence of the Holy Cross priests and seminarians.
 
For years, I heard it wasn’t what it use to be but I didn’t pay attention until the Obama thing in May.

You might want to go to the website of its alumni, Sycamore. Many were very upset about Obama’s invitation. Please check to see if NDU is still showing THE VAGINA MONOLOGUES on campus. And if the name doesn’t say it all, google the play. Yup, on a Catholic campus for years. Go figure. I know of one alum who, after May, took off his ring, took down his diploma and canceled his NDU yearly donation.
 
As they do not obey the Bishops and the Pope, I would not give them one red cent nor my dear children.
 
Before other posters whip out the big guns and bombard you with information about how ND is not “authentically Catholic” and how there are major problems with the administration, I’ll just say that I graduated in '07, loved the experience, grew tremendously in my faith while there, met my faithful Catholic husband, and would recommend ND to almost anyone.

To answer your specific questions:
Is it really the cozy “family” atmosphere I’ve heard about?
I really would describe it as a family. It’s a mid-sized campus and student body, but the dorm system facilitates that cozy familial atmosphere. I stayed in the same dorm for four years, got to know the other girls and the rectress (a nun) very well, and have some great memories. It felt like what I would imagine participating in a sorority would feel like, except I never drank (and honestly, was never pressured to drink). I remember one experience from freshman year that really epitomizes the family atmosphere. It was my very first monring on campus and my parents had just hugged me goodbye and driven away. I stood there on the front step, trying not to cry, when a senior from my dorm that I didn’t know came out ready for a run. She saw how sad I looked and asked if my parents had just left. When I nodded “yes,” not trusting my voice, she hugged me and said, “We’ll take good care of you.”
Do they make a point to admit more Catholics than non-Catholics, or does religion not play a role in the admissions process?
I’m not sure how religion factors in. I would guess that more Catholics than non-Catholics tend to apply. I think when I was there 85% of the student body described themselves as Catholic. My guess is that the percentage actually practicing is much less. Yet Sunday Masses (and there are a ton of them) were always packed, daily masses got a fairly good attendance, and almost all of my good friends were Catholic.
Did you feel it was worth the money?
Absolutely.
Do they have mandatory mass attendance?
No. Students are free to attend Mass as frequently or as infrequently as they like. There are students who never attend. There are students who go every day. I do know that ND has more Masses per week on campus than any other university in the United States. I also really valued how frequently they offer confession (three times a day all week, and for an hour on Saturdays). But if your child is unlikley to attend on his/her own, and this is a concern for you, then ND may not be the right choice.

Feel free to PM me with any other questions.

God bless!
 
Please check to see if NDU is still showing THE VAGINA MONOLOGUES on campus. And if the name doesn’t say it all, google the play. Yup, on a Catholic campus for years.
Just FYI, the V-monologues moved off campus several years ago while I was still a student and last year it was not performed at all:
ND Observer:
Olsen said she, along with several other students, declined to produce the show because they believed the controversy on campus that follows the show is ultimately counterproductive to the show’s purpose.
 
Along with nodito, I’m an ND grad–Class of 2009.

I love Notre Dame and am so grateful for my experience there. I studied political science and theology and found authentically Catholic, very orthodox professors in both departments. I am grateful for the friendships I formed there and the Catholic community I found at ND, and I’m sure your son or daughter could find the same. Like nodito, I met my husband through ND. It’s just a great place…

Someone recommended the Project Sycamore website–that is more of an alumni perspective on things at ND, so what I would recommend as well is The Irish Rover, which is a student-run independent Catholic newspaper at ND. A lot of my good friends on campus are on the staff of the Rover, and they do an excellent job of giving a window into student life on campus and spotlighting some of the less-noteworthy Catholic events on campus.

To add my 2 cents about your specific questions…
  1. Is it really the cozy “family” atmosphere I’ve heard about?
YES, it is. The dorm life really does help create that atmosphere, like nodito said, but in addition to that I really felt like the theology department in particular was a great intellectual community, where all of the professors and students care about one another, support one another through their struggles, and really enjoy being with one another, both inside and outside of the classroom. Notre Dame really fosters a “we’re all in this together” attitude and there are many ways in which faculty, staff, administration, and students all reach out to one another to make them feel at home. Within the first semester, most freshmen start to call ND home…that’s just how we feel about it.
  1. Do they make a point to admit more Catholics than non-Catholics, or does religion not play a role in the admissions process?
Yes, actually, they do. The admissions department several years ago decided that it would shoot for around 85% of each incoming class to identify as Catholic, and that’s pretty typical for the numbers each year. That doesn’t mean that all of these are ‘perfectly practicing’ Catholics, but from what I saw on campus of daily and Sunday Mass attendance, Eucharistic adoration, lines outside of the confessionals three times a day in the Basilica, involvement in campus ministry, etc., those who don’t at least go to Sunday Mass are in the minority. Every dorm has a chapel where Mass is said on Sundays, Holy Days, and in the men’s dorms where there is a priest in residence, daily, and Mass becomes the central gathering of the community each week.
  1. Did you feel it was worth the money?
This is really a sticky question. On the one hand, I believe a Notre Dame education–experience–is priceless. On the other, all of higher education is vastly overpriced for what it gets you these days. Notre Dame does do a good job in giving scholarships to those who have demonstrated financial need (from the FAFSA), but the rest of us have student loans up to our ears. Hopefully by the time your child graduates the economy will have recovered and it’s not so daunting to repay them. As for my class, most of my friends went on to grad school to try to ride out the recession, and the majority of the rest of us are still unemployed. Notre Dame does have a good career center (which because of that ND family thing reaches out to young alums like me!), and especially if your child wants to go into business, engineering, medicine, or law, they shouldn’t have trouble.
  1. Do they have mandatory mass attendance?
No. But like I said above, it is highly encouraged and is the acceptable thing to do in the dorms, thanks to good old peer pressure ;). Also, there is always a sizable number of students who enter the Church through RCIA at the Easter Vigil…which says a lot about the Catholic culture of student life at ND, I think.

Like any university, Catholic or otherwise, ND has its problems, and much of our dirty laundry has been aired out for all to see this year. During my time at ND I was always very critical–and very loyal–to Our Lady’s University, and all I can say is that Notre Dame desperately NEEDS orthodox students to enroll and to encourage the orthodox professors there and to fight for the Catholic mission of the university. It’s not all bad at ND, there have been many good developments of late (one example: this year, the V-Logs were not performed at all, because the previous organizers thought that there would be more constructive ways to try to address violence against women.). Of course these were all overshadowed by the Obama scandal…but even there, the turnout of thousands, led by dozens (erm, maybe even hundreds) of ND students in ND Response, should be heartening to even the sternest critics.

I’d be happy to answer any other questions on this thread, or you can feel free to PM me with anything else you’d like to know as well.
 
Thanks to all of you ND grads who answered my questions SO WELL. I’m really dying for my son to get into Notrre Dame now. He likes the idea of being surrounded by our religion and not being pressured into drinking and that sort of thing. I also told him he could probably find a really good wife at Notre Dame. ROFL.

I went to college at a huge state university, and Notre Dame seems to provide everything my state school lacked. Of course, my college education was fine and it got me into graduate school, but I didn’t have that cozy, spiritual experience I keep hearing about from ND people. I also cannot find another Catholic college quite like it that offers what he wants to study. I’m thinking if he gets in, it’ll be worth the $$$$$$.

Thanks again!
 
Some things are non-negotiable. Notre Dame will never have access to any of my hard-earned money, nor my precious children. If they can’t proudly and publicly proclaim and defend Catholic moral teachings, then I want nothing to do with them. I would rather send my kids to a secular university that makes no pretense about what it is.

A fake Catholic university, that puts about the message that a man who denied protection of the right to life of the ALREADY BORN, nevermind the unborn, multiple times, is worthy of laud and celebration and welcome… is not one I’ll have anything to do with.

What good are a collegial atmosphere and multiple Mass offerings if the teachings of the Church are ignored and disparaged?
 
Notre Dame needs MORE authentic Catholic students, not less. I understand the posters who just can’t go that route. But I’m with Rach620 and nodito on this one.

There is a LOT of good going on at ND and that is exactly why there are attacks on it. No offense, but you won’t see Obama showing up at Steubenville. ND attracts people on a high political level, that is why is it a place worth fighting for.
 
My son also needs alternative colleges in case he doesn’t get in (I’m assuming it’s pretty tough to get into ND). Does anyone know of other Catholic schools with engineering programs?
 
Some things are non-negotiable. Notre Dame will never have access to any of my hard-earned money, nor my precious children. If they can’t proudly and publicly proclaim and defend Catholic moral teachings, then I want nothing to do with them. I would rather send my kids to a secular university that makes no pretense about what it is.

A fake Catholic university, that puts about the message that a man who denied protection of the right to life of the ALREADY BORN, nevermind the unborn, multiple times, is worthy of laud and celebration and welcome… is not one I’ll have anything to do with.

What good are a collegial atmosphere and multiple Mass offerings if the teachings of the Church are ignored and disparaged?
I understand your point. My son is one of the great kids who would work to change some of the minds of the crazy pro-abortion liberals, not become one of them. 🙂
 
The average student will not be admitted to Notre Dame. A high ACT/SAT score is needed along with high end extra curricular activities.

Those who like to say they would never send their kids or spend their dollars at ND would be a lot more credible if they had an acceptance letter in their hands.

OP, you are right to pursue alternative colleges along with ND, it’s really hard to get in. Not sure where you live or what your other criteria are, but there are a lot of other good engineering schools out there. University of Michigan is near ND and it has a very competitive engineering school.
 
The average student will not be admitted to Notre Dame. A high ACT/SAT score is needed along with high end extra curricular activities.

Those who like to say they would never send their kids or spend their dollars at ND would be a lot more credible if they had an acceptance letter in their hands.

OP, you are right to pursue alternative colleges along with ND, it’s really hard to get in. Not sure where you live or what your other criteria are, but there are a lot of other good engineering schools out there. University of Michigan is near ND and it has a very competitive engineering school.
Why on earth would we even apply to such a place?

BTW, the test scores in this house would get any family member into any school in the country, thank you very much.
 
My son also needs alternative colleges in case he doesn’t get in (I’m assuming it’s pretty tough to get into ND). Does anyone know of other Catholic schools with engineering programs?
Here’s a link that might be helpful: catholiccollegesonline.org/cgi-bin/MemberDB2

Catholic University, Villanova and Marquette offer engineering, but there seem to be plenty of others, as well.

I echo the opinion of those who believe that ND needs more students like your son. I strongly opposed awarding a degree to Obama, and am disdainful of “Catholic” universities that want to have it both ways. However, I think a strong message has been sent, and I hope that we’ll see a turnaround. I wish my alma mater, Boston College, took more pride in authentic Catholicism.

I know many wonderful families - strong, pro-life, upstanding Catholics - whose kids are students at or have graduated from ND; they are among the best examples of Catholic families I know.
 
I know that it’s hard to get into ND. It seems like a kid could work his/her hardest in high school and still not get in… However, my son seems to blow away tests, so I am optimistic.

Just read this…Notre Dame’s total acceptance rate is about 25%. However, ND accepts 50% of its legacy applicants so if you are not a legacy then the acceptance rate is actually lower than 25%.

It’s nice to know that Marquette and Villanova have engineering, too. Anyone know anything about the atmosphere of these schools?
 
My son also needs alternative colleges in case he doesn’t get in (I’m assuming it’s pretty tough to get into ND). Does anyone know of other Catholic schools with engineering programs?
I looked at the University of Dayton in Ohio very briefly when I was applying to colleges. I liked the feel of the campus and I know they have an engineering program (though I don’t really know anything about it). I think it’s a Marianist school, but I’ll have to leave it to our resident Dayton grads to discuss how “authentically Catholic” it is or is not, as I am unfamiliar with it.
 
Just read this…Notre Dame’s total acceptance rate is about 25%. However, ND accepts 50% of its legacy applicants so if you are not a legacy then the acceptance rate is actually lower than 25%.
I was not a legacy and I got into ND “early action”. It can be done!

As far as engineering schools go, I do know that many colleges offer 3-2 programs, where you get an engineering degree in 5 years and study 3 years on campus at the school and then 2 years at a bigger school to finish up the degree with higher-level courses and labs. That’s always something to keep on the lookout for.

Also, to plug ND just a little more, a relatively popular program they have is a 5-year engineering dual degree, where students graduate with a BS (I guess that’s what it is!) in Engineering as well as a BA in theology or philosophy. I know several [brilliant!] people who have done this program and absolutely loved it–and they’ve gone on to great engineering jobs with the added benefit of having studied in what Bishop D’Arcy called one of the greatest theology departments in the country. 👍 Not sure if that’s at all something that might interest your son, but I wanted to let you know!
 
Those who like to say they would never send their kids or spend their dollars at ND would be a lot more credible if they had an acceptance letter in their hands.
You can scoff all you like, but you haven’t met my 11 year old. She will be competing to be a National Merit Scholar when she is in high school… I would bet my house on it. She’s at least two years ahead in math, in her second year studying Latin, excels at everything and is a serious-minded Catholic to boot. She also somehow manages to be a disciplined and fairly good athlete and to maintain a couple of very close friendships and a wider range of casual friendships. When I remember what my life was like when I was 11… let’s just say I am so impressed with her!
 
I was not a legacy and I got into ND “early action”. It can be done!

As far as engineering schools go, I do know that many colleges offer 3-2 programs, where you get an engineering degree in 5 years and study 3 years on campus at the school and then 2 years at a bigger school to finish up the degree with higher-level courses and labs. That’s always something to keep on the lookout for.

Also, to plug ND just a little more, a relatively popular program they have is a 5-year engineering dual degree, where students graduate with a BS (I guess that’s what it is!) in Engineering as well as a BA in theology or philosophy. I know several [brilliant!] people who have done this program and absolutely loved it–and they’ve gone on to great engineering jobs with the added benefit of having studied in what Bishop D’Arcy called one of the greatest theology departments in the country. 👍 Not sure if that’s at all something that might interest your son, but I wanted to let you know!
The future NDer (who is home sick today) says he’ll definitely be doing this program. 🙂 Thanks for the info…

I think I now need to start penny-pinching.
 
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