Notre Dame - Isn't It Time They Stop Calling Themselves "Catholic"?

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Shannon9791 said:
I honestly don’t think the President is going to use this occaision to speak about the issues which he and the Church disagree with. I don’t really have a problem with him speaking at Notre Dame, or any Catholic University that would invite him. He is a gifted speaker, and for a lot of people his words carry a great deal of weight. I lived in Connecticut for a short time, and while I was there the Dhali Llama spoke in Central Park, and I was greatful to hear him speak, and I’m not Budhist. Let me ask this, what would make it OK for the President to speak at Notre Dame?
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To change his stance on society od death principles to a society of life principles.

Abortion, Embryotic Stem Cell research, right to die/assisted suicide, etc…

His policies on these issues is the right of one to perform murder not for life.
 
Annn said:
edwest, have you ever read the play? if so can you refer to specific passages you object to? thanks.
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Hi Annn,

I have not read the play. I humbly defer to the Bishop’s judgement on the matter in a spirit of trust within the Catholic Community of which Notre Dame is a part. The Bishop’s authority is to be respected by all Catholics.

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
Hi Annn,

I have not read the play. I humbly defer to the Bishop’s judgement on the matter in a spirit of trust within the Catholic Community of which Notre Dame is a part. The Bishop’s authority is to be respected by all Catholics.

Peace,
Ed
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Exactly what I suspected.
 
Hi Annn,

Your reply in no way vindicates your position. The Bishop, speaking as an authority in the Catholic community, has read it and his judgement is accepted as true and just. As a member of the Catholic community, I put my full faith and trust in the Bishop as if he were my Bishop.

Peace,
Ed
 
Nice reasoning Ann.

Have you read Mein Kampf? Did you ever meet Hitler? Then how can you judge him to be unspeakably evil?

God has a very clear and specific design for human sexuality. The Church has done a great job explaining what that is. The V.M. show has been determined by competent catholic authorities to be in conflict with catholic teaching on the matter.

Trusting that authority is just as valid as trusting historical authorities on the evil nature of Hitler.
 
manualman said:
Nice reasoning Ann.

Have you read Mein Kampf? Did you ever meet Hitler? Then how can you judge him to be unspeakably evil?

God has a very clear and specific design for human sexuality. The Church has done a great job explaining what that is. The V.M. show has been determined by competent catholic authorities to be in conflict with catholic teaching on the matter.

Trusting that authority is just as valid as trusting historical authorities on the evil nature of Hitler.
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I am always flumoxxed when POF tell me that God is beyond human comprehension and then proceed to tell me just what He thinks!:confused:
 
edwest2 said:
Hi Annn,

Your reply in no way vindicates your position. The Bishop, speaking as an authority in the Catholic community, has read it and his judgement is accepted as true and just. As a member of the Catholic community, I put my full faith and trust in the Bishop as if he were my Bishop.

Peace,
Ed
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I have read plenty of these statements and what not in which these bishops try to condem what they clearly do not understand. They should just stick to what they know and only talk strictly about their faith. Any and all of their attempts to vindicate or promote public policy or social perspecitives, at least the ones that I have read, have been complete garbage that dripped with hypocrisy. Bishops don’t make good entertainment critics, plain and simple.
 
apromisemade said:
I have read plenty of these statements and what not in which these bishops try to condem what they clearly do not understand. They should just stick to what they know and only talk strictly about their faith. Any and all of their attempts to vindicate or promote public policy or social perspecitives, at least the ones that I have read, have been complete garbage that dripped with hypocrisy. Bishops don’t make good entertainment critics, plain and simple.
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“do not understand”? That doesn’t follow. This is a Catholic Forum, so why would you expose yourself to more “complete garbage that dripped with hypocrisy.” by coming here?

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
“do not understand”? That doesn’t follow. This is a Catholic Forum, so why would you expose yourself to more “complete garbage that dripped with hypocrisy.” by coming here?

Peace,
Ed
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Because last I checked you guys weren’t all bishops. If I wanted legal advise, I would ask a lawyer, not a chef. The same principal applies to a lot of these bishops who try to, like I said, preach about that which they clearly don’t understand. You are entitled to your opinion, but that is why I can’t respect your exteremely negative attitude toward a simple theatrical performance because said attitude is based soley off the statements of someone who I feel is in no way qualified to judged something like that.
 
Annn said:
Exactly what I suspected.
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Try this one then…

Everyone, there is a monologue where a 16 year old girl has relations with a middle-aged woman. Everything about that is wrong, and there is nothing to learn from it.

Annn, that’s just one example. I won’t waste time listing the others, but I can tell you I have heard the play, and it is completely immoral.

~Romans 1:22-28~

“While claiming to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes. Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts 15 for the mutual degradation of their bodies. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper.”

That play has no business on a “Catholic University”. They are teach to teach people to defend the faith, not destroy it.
 
alfredthegrate said:
I am always flumoxxed when POF tell me that God is beyond human comprehension and then proceed to tell me just what He thinks!:confused:
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Catholics don’t believe God is utterly beyond human comprehension. (IIRC would be the muslim approach) He is beyond COMPLETE human comprehension, but since He has revealed much about Himself, we obviously CAN know that. What He has revealed about Himself is what we can know.
 
apromisemade said:
Because last I checked you guys weren’t all bishops. If I wanted legal advise, I would ask a lawyer, not a chef. The same principal applies to a lot of these bishops who try to, like I said, preach about that which they clearly don’t understand. You are entitled to your opinion, but that is why I can’t respect your exteremely negative attitude toward a simple theatrical performance because said attitude is based soley off the statements of someone who I feel is in no way qualified to judged something like that.
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You’d be dead on if a bishop advised people not to go because it was poor quality theater. But that isn’t the case. It isn’t the quality of the acting or wit of the writer that is being denounced, it is the moral content of the message contained. If that isn’t the jurisdiction of a bishop, what is?? :confused:
 
edwest2 said:
Hi Annn,

Your reply in no way vindicates your position. The Bishop, speaking as an authority in the Catholic community, has read it and his judgement is accepted as true and just. As a member of the Catholic community, I put my full faith and trust in the Bishop as if he were my Bishop.

Peace,
Ed
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I’m not saying I even like the V monologues. I think they’re kind of dumb and I’m not into one-woman theater. What I am saying is going out of your way to satrt a thread centering around a text you’ve never read strikes me as strange.
 
ND alumnus Michael Voris calls President Obama the “enemy-in-chief of life in the womb.” I wonder if he is right when he states: “…Notre Dame should take down its crucifixes, its statues, tear down the basilica, and once and for all stop sending alumni like me and others sappy fundraising letters appealing to the campus’s Catholicism when they deny that very faith before the whole world…”

YouTube message from Michael Voris:

youtube.com/watch?v=e7sXqpCCgWY

“…Barring some miracle of divine intervention, the world will soon watch as the preeminent Catholic university in the country lauds the world’s leading advocate for killing children in the womb. Under Father Jenkins’s leadership, Notre Dame has had an ‘intellectually rigorous engagement with the world,’ and the world has won.”

lifenews.com/state3967.html

March 27, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - "American Cardinal Nicholas DiNardo has criticized the decision of the Catholic University of Notre Dame to honor President Barack Obama by inviting him to be this year’s commencement speaker and awarding him with an honorary doctorate. The Cardinal said that the “disappointing” invitation “requires charitable but vigorous critique.”

“The Cardinal’s remarks constitute the highest-ranking criticism yet from a member of the Catholic Church hierarchy against the University’s decision. So far three other American bishops have criticized the invitation, including the bishop of the diocese where Notre Dame is located, Bishop John D’Arcy…”

lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09032717.html

South Bend, IN (LifeNews.com) – “A Notre Dame alumni group has launched a protest against its alma mater for extending an invitation to pro-abortion President Barack Obama to give the commencement address there this May. The university will also bestow the president with an honorary degree…”
“In a statement, Project Sycamore says it ‘urges protest of Notre Dame’s decision…’”
“…This compromising action gravely diminishes Notre Dame. It profoundly wounds its claim to be a Catholic institution. It strikes with incalculable cost at the pride of its graduates…”

**lifenews.com/state3997.html **

The administration of the University of Notre Dame has made it quite clear that they still plan to honor President Obama with a law degree at the 2009 Commencement. That does not mean we cannot continue to voice our protests to them:

Rev. John I. Jenkins, C.S.C. (University of Notre Dame President)
E-Mail: president@nd.edu

Mr. Richard C. Notebaert (Chairman, University of Notre Dame Board of Trustees)
Fax: 574-289-0487
E-Mail: sfocht@nd.edu

Rev. David T. Tyson, C.S.C. (Holy Cross Priests Provincial Superior and member of the Board of Trustees)
Fax: 574-289-0487
E-Mail: sfocht@nd.edu
 
Annn said:
I’m not saying I even like the V monologues. I think they’re kind of dumb and I’m not into one-woman theater. What I am saying is going out of your way to satrt a thread centering around a text you’ve never read strikes me as strange.
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Exactly. I’m not a fan of it either, but don’t viciously attack an artistic endeavor with the kind of angry rhetoric that you did and then when asked specifically what you find wrong with it roll over and say, “I’m just being a good little Catholic.”
 
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