Nova Vulgata

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If I’m looking to spend some money on a Latin Bible, why as a Catholic do I want to drop that money into the hands of Protestants? I’d rather line the pockets of the Vatican Publishing house which is the source for the V2 sanctioned Nova Vulgata.
Glenda, I want to line the pockets of the Vatican Publishing House with my money, However, I can’t because the Nova Vulgata isn’t being published currently. I know I can read it online for free. Several people have commented on this thread with links to various online versions. Why does’t the Vatican Publishing House offer the official Vatican approved text for purchase? I don’t understand this.

I would like to have some sort of, church approved, bible in the Latin language that I can hold in my hands. After reading the discussion on Biblia Sacra Vulgata, I might be more confused than I was before I started. Is there any version (Nova Vulgata or not) that has been approved by the church and is available for purchase in a physical format? Does anyone know?

Does the Biblia Sacra Vulgata offered on Amazon.com contain an imprimatur?

Thank you for the discussion.
 
The greatest thing would be an as accurate as possible English translation of the Nova Vulgata. Why does that horrify some people?
 
It isn’t a Catholic Bible publisher and they don’t publish Catholic Bibles.
So, you are saying that Archbishop Hermann Schäufele of Freiburg-im-Breisgau was wrong to give the first edition an imprimatur?
I’ve read a few pages of the Preface in which it lists various sources such as Eusebius and Pelagius, Eusebius not being a bad guy, but Pelagius most definitely is among the bad guys.
You mean “Ceterorum librorum Novi Testamente forma Vulgata apud Pelagium vel asseclas eius saeculo quinto ineunte primum invenitur”? It says, “Of the other books in the New Testament *, the Vulgate form is first found with Pelagius and his followers at the beginning of the fifth century.”

This is not a reference to Pelagius as a source for their work, but a reference to Pelagius and company as witnesses of the Vulgate text type.

The sources for the BSV and NV are listed in pages 37-42. Pelagius is not amongst them.
by happenstance have enlisted some Benedictines to lend some appearances of credibility to their “scholarship,” do you really think I should trust them with the task of furthering authentic Catholic scholarship, namely my own?
Did you miss the whole part about this having been a Catholic project from the beginning? As that same Wikipedia article says, “In 1907 Pope Pius X commissioned the Benedictine monks to prepare a critical edition of Jerome’s Vulgate …] In 1933, Pope Pius XI established the Pontifical Abbey of St Jerome-in-the-City to complete the work.” That is the Abbey to which Weber belonged, the same Abbey which produced the OT text for both the BSV and the NV.
If I’m looking to spend some money on a Latin Bible, why as a Catholic do I want to drop that money into the hands of Protestants? I’d rather line the pockets of the Vatican Publishing house which is the source for the V2 sanctioned Nova Vulgata.
Given that the OP said that the NV is out of print, I was not aware that it was still available, hence my asking him whether the BSV were acceptable as an alternative.
The Stuttgart version is a Protestant response to V2’s request.
A project sponsored by a Protestant publisher, produced by an interfaith editorial board headed by a Catholic, of a text produced predominantly by half a century of Catholic scholarship, hence the imprimatur.
There ya go: they admit the created a “manual edition” that is** reduced**
, that means some words were taken out to make it smaller, so as to fit easily in the hand.
Um, actually, what they reduced was the critical apparatus, not the text. As they note, they have not referenced absolutely everything, and thus they refer “the serious textual student” back to the full-size variorum editions.
The primary sources are both Roma and OXFORD - Anglican Oxford. Again the fox and the hen house come to mind.
In that case, you might like to read the second paragraph under “NOVUM TESTAMENTUM” here, particularly regarding what it says about the Nova Vulgata’s connection to the Biblia Sacra iuxta Vulgatam Versionem, i.e. the BSV in question, the Wurttemberg Bible Society, and Protestant scholars.
P.S. It is worth mentioning that the Protestants are expert in using Bibles and Bibles studies to dupe ignorant persons and have done so for hundreds of years. Is this any different or is it aimed at those who think they can out smart the devil?
So, “Protestants are evil; Protestants were involved in this project; therefore, this project is evil”? Wow. In that case, nothing I say can ever have any merit, can it?*
 
Does the Biblia Sacra Vulgata offered on Amazon.com contain an imprimatur?
Sorry, no, it does not.

The first edition did, but that role of “theologically authorised text” (the BSV’s wording) was evidently passed onto the Nova Vulgata.

I am not sure whether that means that a second-hand first edition of the BSV would be okay.
 
The greatest thing would be an as accurate as possible English translation of the Nova Vulgata. Why does that horrify some people?
I don’t think anyone mentioned being horrified by that. It’s not horrifying at all to me. I already speak English at a native speaker level and I have a fairly extensive collection of bibles in English. I’m studying Latin on my own and I would like to study by reading the bible in Latin. English isn’t the greatest language for everyone always. I personally have set a goal for myself to learn Latin and read it in Latin.
 
Sorry, no, it does not.

The first edition did, but that role of “theologically authorised text” (the BSV’s wording) was evidently passed onto the Nova Vulgata.

I am not sure whether that means that a second-hand first edition of the BSV would be okay.
The 2nd edition of RSVCE doesn’t have one either and it’s my transition of choice in English. I’m going to keep my eyes peeled online for a cheap version of Biblia Sacra Vulgata. If the Vatican Publishing House ever reprints the Nova Vulgata then I’ll get a copy. In the meantime, my Latin hobby can’t go on hold while I wait for the version I really want. Thank you for your comments and discussion about this topic. I learned a lot from everyone who contributed.

I wish someone from the Vatican Publishing House would see the need for a physical copy of the Nova Vulgata and publish it!!
 
Actually I think I’m going to settle for a copy of the two volume Clementine. It is priced right and still reliable and the actual changes that the Nova Vulgata has by comparison won’t be a problem at all. If I find something better, I’ll let you know.

Glenda
 
Actually I think I’m going to settle for a copy of the two volume Clementine. It is priced right and still reliable and the actual changes that the Nova Vulgata has by comparison won’t be a problem at all. If I find something better, I’ll let you know.

Glenda
If one is up to it, there are ways of comparing online texts of different versions. Probably best to do them one chapter at a time.
 
The greatest thing would be an as accurate as possible English translation of the Nova Vulgata. Why does that horrify some people?
That’s almost like wanting a Chinese (for example) translation of Shakespeare. I’m sure there are “as accurate as possible” translations and even Cliff’s Notes but a serious study involves more than that as any English scholar will tell you. Yes, the Latin itself is a translation but the nuances and inflections are much closer to the originals than any English. And Latin preserves much better. Not to mention that the NV is the official Bible of the Vatican. Why wouldn’t a Catholic want to at least have access to it?
 
Hello ProVobis.
If one is up to it, there are ways of comparing online texts of different versions. Probably best to do them one chapter at a time.
Nope. I need an in hand copy to curl up with in the evenings. You just can’t curl up with hot tea and a computer, even a laptop. It isn’t the same.

Glenda
 
Hello ProVobis.

Nope. I need an in hand copy to curl up with in the evenings. You just can’t curl up with hot tea and a computer, even a laptop. It isn’t the same.

Glenda
I’m with you on that. 👍
 
Hello ProVobis.

Nope. I need an in hand copy to curl up with in the evenings. You just can’t curl up with hot tea and a computer, even a laptop. It isn’t the same.

Glenda
I hear you. There is something to be said for having a real book and reading off a printed page which can’t be equaled, even if you don’t understand half the words. (In your case I’m sure you understand more Latin than that.)
 
Hello ProVobis.
I hear you. There is something to be said for having a real book and reading off a printed page which can’t be equaled, even if you don’t understand half the words. (In your case I’m sure you understand more Latin than that.)
Yeppers. Learnin’ more each and every day and I’m so stubborn I’ll admit I ain’t gonna stop till I’ve mastered that darn oooops that bee-u-ti-full language.

Glenda
 
ProVobis: Do you think that the Nova Vulgata is the most accurate Latin translation of the bible?

The reason I would like an as accurate possible translation of the Nova Vulgata is that I do not know english but do believe that Latin translations of the bible are better than the modern English Catholic translations that we currently have.

The English translation that I have is the Douay Confraternity Bible with an English translation of the New Latin Psalms authorized by Pope Pius XII.

It’s not a perfect bible but it does have traditional and not modernist notes.

If you’re Joe Catholic and want an English translation that is close to the best Latin translations what can you purchase?

The RSV-CE2 is not a horrid translation but it is Protestant with Catholic polishing.

I don’t care for the Jerusalem or New Jerusalem bibles–the Knox has its good points but isn’t perfect either.

I just believe that an English translation of the Nova Vulgata would be far better than any English translation we currently have. Is that true?

I guess what I’m really saying is that I wish a bunch of Latin loving traditionalist scholars would produce an English translation of the bible that was as accurate as they could possibly come up with.

I think that would be a great English bible.

Without a great English translation of the bible I guess the only way for an English speaker to get a truly great bible is to learn Latin and Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic.

It shouldn’t have to be that way!

Let me ask this to all Latin loving traditionalists: Is it better for all the English speaking Catholics who do not know Latin to have the current English Catholic translations with in many instances dubious notes

or

would it be better if they had English translation of the bible produced by Latin loving traditionalists who could give them English translations that weren’t far off the mark from good Latin texts?

I guess I just need to learn Latin. I know that the bible should come from ancient language texts and not just Latin–but I also know that current translations of the bible don’t do a good job at picking the right textual vareints.

The bible shouldn’t come only from Latin–but most of the time Latin is the BEST answer.

Do any of you Latin lovers out there feel my pain?
 
Hello Jerry.

As far as I understand it, the Vulgate that was written by St. Jerome and approved by the Church is THE BIBLE and everything after is either a revision or a translation.

Glenda
 
There is no “The Bible”. The Catholic Church approves of many translated texts in many countries. The most commonly used in the English speaking world (outside the USA) is the RSV-CE, the RSV-2CE is quickly catching up.

The Septuagint and subsequent translations are approved for use in the Byzantine Catholic Churches.

The Peshitto and translations are approved as the norm for the Syriac Churches, Chaldean Churches, and St. Thomas Churches of India.

There are other translations from the Traditions of the Coptic and Armenian Churches - both Catholic and Orthodox.
 
Going back to the original topic of the Nova Vulgata…I sent an e-mail the Vatican Publishing House a few days ago and got this e-mail reply back today.

"Dear Stephen,
The Nova Vulgata is not available but it’s in working phase.
Unfortunately I don’t know which is the forecast of reprinting.
Contact us in a few months.
Yours sincerely,

Ufficio Commerciale
Libreria Editrice Vaticana
Tel: +39.06.69881032
Fax: +39.06.69884716"

I thank that I’ll wait until after Christmas and check on it again. Maybe by this time next year, a new version will be available in print. I don’t know what a working phase is, but I’m happy with the confirmation that I received that a printed version is in the process. I wonder if it’ll beat the OT Ignatius Study Bible to the bookshelves? 😉
 
ProVobis: Do you think that the Nova Vulgata is the most accurate Latin translation of the bible?
It depends on what you mean by accurate. I look for completeness and I trust the Nova Vulgata is the most complete and contains all the Greek and Hebrew nuances as prescribed by the Church, much tougher to accomplish in a non-inflective and mutable language like English. Now whether the online version or the book version is entirely free of typos is a different story.
 
Hello Provobis.
It depends on what you mean by accurate. I look for completeness and I trust the Nova Vulgata is the most complete and contains all the Greek and Hebrew nuances as prescribed by the Church, much tougher to accomplish in a non-inflective and mutable language like English. Now whether the online version or the book version is entirely free of typos is a different story.
To my understanding the Nova Vulgata isn’t a compendium of various sources but is strictly from the various Vulgates through the centuries. It will not have additions from Hebrew and Greek sources but will draw exclusively from Latin sources. So don’t look for a Latinized NAB with Dead Sea Scrolls added in or any other such thing. It has been corrected and updated per Latin scholarship but remains focused on St. Jerome’s Vulgate. They removed some errors that crept in and I believe some of those errors came in from other sources that were Greek, etc. Don’t take me to task on this. I’m no expert, not by a long shot, so please spare me and ask someone who is a Biblical Latin scholar.

Glenda
 
In my view the Nova Vulgata is a complete abomination to the church. Gen 3:15 being a perfect example. The Church had it right with the Clementine Vulgate. Why would they reject such a thing? As if the ‘new’ is better than the old… Why don’t they just un-canonize St Jerome if they aren’t going to trust his spiritual guidance in translating the TRUE original documents he had access to.

The church has succumbed to protestant approaches to Bible translating. Heres an analogy:

1 Catholic Church - 40,000 Protestant Churches

1 Catholic Bible (Clementine Vulgate) - Hundreds of Protestant Bibles

Having a Catholic approved bible translated from the so called original Greek isn’t that big of deal, but to replace the official Clementine Vulgate (St Jeromes translation) with a book that was translated from unreliable “original” documents is a total outrage.
 
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