Novus Ordo ad orientem in Latin with deacons?

[JimG]

Another interesting liturgical Q&A from Fr. Zuhlsdorf:

"QUAERITUR:

Can a Novus Ordo be ad orientem with Latin, chant, a subdeacon and deacon in traditional vestments?

–Not only can the Novus Ordo be celebrated ad orientem, it ought to be. The rubrics indicate that this is the standard, the norm. The Roman Church’s tradition calls for it. Permission is not necessary. It can’t be forbidden." More fully answered here.

 

[IOGD]

I loved his article. Well thought out and well reasoned. Save the Liturgy, Save the World!

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

Another interesting liturgical Q&A from Fr. Zuhlsdorf:

"QUAERITUR:

Can a Novus Ordo be ad orientem with Latin, chant, a subdeacon and deacon in traditional vestments?

–Not only can the Novus Ordo be celebrated ad orientem, it ought to be. The rubrics indicate that this is the standard, the norm. The Roman Church’s tradition calls for it. Permission is not necessary. It can’t be forbidden." More fully answered here.

One of the responders to Fr. Z’s article identifies himself as an “instituted acolyte ‘(subdeacon)’.” That’s not correct is it? I thought Paul VI suppressed the order of subdeacon in the Latin Rite, and beyond that, I didn’t think instituted acolytes = subdeacon in any formal sense. Certainly in the EF, the duties and status of each are markedly different, no?

 

[JimG]

One of the responders to Fr. Z’s article identifies himself as an “instituted acolyte ‘(subdeacon)’.” That’s not correct is it? I thought Paul VI suppressed the order of subdeacon in the Latin Rite, and beyond that, I didn’t think instituted acolytes = subdeacon in any formal sense. Certainly in the EF, the duties and status of each are markedly different, no?

I don’t know the answer to that. I’m pretty sure that the minor orders, of which subdeacon is one, were suppressed. But there may be such a thing as instituted acolytes.

 

[IOGD]

Instituted acolytes yes. Subdeacons, yes but only within the FSSP/ISKCSP/other traditional groups. So you won’t see them outside of seminaries since their role is almost always taken by a priest at the EF. I think one could draw similarities between the two, although subdeacons were ordained whereas acolytes are entirely unordained.

 

[twf]

One of the responders to Fr. Z’s article identifies himself as an “instituted acolyte ‘(subdeacon)’.” That’s not correct is it? I thought Paul VI suppressed the order of subdeacon in the Latin Rite, and beyond that, I didn’t think instituted acolytes = subdeacon in any formal sense. Certainly in the EF, the duties and status of each are markedly different, no?

Bl. Paul VI included a provision for the title “subdeacon” to be given to instituted acolytes at the discretion of the national episcopal conference… but I don’t know if any conferences ever implemented this provision.

 

[Don_Ruggero]

One of the responders to Fr. Z’s article identifies himself as an “instituted acolyte ‘(subdeacon)’.” That’s not correct is it? I thought Paul VI suppressed the order of subdeacon in the Latin Rite, and beyond that, I didn’t think instituted acolytes = subdeacon in any formal sense. Certainly in the EF, the duties and status of each are markedly different, no?

The relevant passage in the Motu Proprio of Blessed Paul VI.
Two ministries, adapted to present-day needs, are to be preserved in the whole Latin Church, namely, those of reader and acolyte. The functions heretofore assigned to the subdeacon are entrusted to the reader and the acolyte; consequently, the major order of subdiaconate no longer exists in the Latin Church. There is, however, no reason why the acolyte cannot be called a subdeacon in some places, at the discretion of the conference of bishops.

 

[Vico]

One of the responders to Fr. Z’s article identifies himself as an “instituted acolyte ‘(subdeacon)’.” That’s not correct is it? I thought Paul VI suppressed the order of subdeacon in the Latin Rite, and beyond that, I didn’t think instituted acolytes = subdeacon in any formal sense. Certainly in the EF, the duties and status of each are markedly different, no?

For the USA GIRM (2011) Ordinary Form has a role for the instituted acolyte, for example:

1. A duly instituted acolyte, as an extraordinary minister, may, if necessary, assist the Priest in distributing Communion to the people.[99] If Communion is given under both kinds, in the absence of a Deacon, the acolyte administers the chalice to the communicants or holds the chalice if Communion is given by intinction.