Novus Ordo and Traditionalist Catholicism?!

[newyorkcatholic]

It fits this one, because the Pope said so!
And he makes the rules, so following those rules is, by definition, traditional.

It’s not traditional, but obedience to the Holy Father is traditional.

I’m traditional when I honor my parents by calling them to talk and keep in touch, but that does not mean phone calls are traditional.

The only things traditional about the Novus Ordo are (1) those things that were not changed from the TLM and (2) that fact that it’s a missal promulgated by the pope.

Otherwise the word ‘traditional’ becomes meaningless. The Pope allows altar girls but we know that’s not traditional either.

 

[Indyann]

Because that is not the definition of traditional.

I have seen this posted a couple of times and I just don’t agree.

Here are some definitions of tradition:

1. The passing down of elements of a culture from generation to generation, especially by oral communication.

a. A mode of thought or behavior followed by a people continuously from generation to generation; a custom or usage.
b. A set of such customs and usages viewed as a coherent body of precedents influencing the present: followed family tradition in dress and manners. See Synonyms at heritage.
3. A body of unwritten religious precepts.
4. A time-honored practice or set of such practices.

I don’t think the Novus Ordo fits those definitions.

Just how long does it take for something to become traditional? It is almost 50 years and into the third generation of the Ordinary Form of the Mass.

 

[ProVobis]

The only things traditional about the Novus Ordo are (1) those things that were not changed from the TLM and (2) that fact that it’s a missal promulgated by the pope.

Latin
Gloria
Credo
Sanctus (with Sabaoth)
Canon (EP1)
Pater Noster
Agnus Dei

 

[arkwright]

I am not speaking for arkwright, but I do concur, the OF (novus ordo), is “traditional Catholicism”, in the fact that it is the ordinary litugy of the Chruch.
To me, the hallmark of being “traditional” is obedience to Holy Mother Church and since the Pope says the Missal of Paul the VI is
the ***ordinary form ***of the Mass in the Roman Rite, how could it not be "traditional"?

Thanks .

The novus ordo is in essence the Eucharist as it has been since the Last Supper .

Certain non-essential features of the Eucharist have developed and changed over the centuries , but what the Eucharist is in essence has always remained the same .

Not to understand the novus ordo as traditional is to understand neither the novus ordo nor Tradition .

 

[roadsend]

Thanks .

The novus ordo is in essence the Eucharist as it has been since the Last Supper .

Certain non-essential features of the Eucharist have developed and changed over the centuries , but what the Eucharist is in essence has always remained the same .

Not to understand the novus ordo as traditional is to understand neither the novus ordo nor Tradition .

I would concur that most of the basic features of the Novus Ordo Missae essential to its validity are traditional. However, many of the prayers of that Mass were indisputably constructed in the 1960s, many of them based on the worship practices of various Protestant faiths.
Accretions and alterations to that Mass since that time as practiced in the U.S. are anything but traditional. These accretions and alterations have clearly changed the overall atmosphere in which that Mass is usually offered so as to render it dramatically different from the rites which preceded it.
In no way can the overall result of these changes be considered as Traditonal by any reasonable stretch of the imagination.
What I encounter at Mass in my parish every week is not what was passed down to me by the Church of my youth.