Novus Ordo Charismatic Services

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One other thing I might add, A week after the resurrection, is when Jesus instituted the sacrament of reconciliation, It is then that he breathed upon the Apostles and said “Receive the Holy Spirit, whose sins you shall forgive they are forgiven. Whose sins you retain, they are retained.” This is Divine Mercy in action and in Scripture. It does not take away from the passion, death and resurrection. Rather it culminates Gods infinite Mercy. This does not in any way surpass the Eucharist, as that is the source and summit of all that is Catholic. For in it, there is more merit and grace than in all of the combined sacrifices of the Old Testament. Through Divine Mercy and Reconciliation, we are able to worthily receive this greatest of gifts.

Deacon Ed B
 
Eilish_Maura said:
Same can be said about the TLM and the lukewarm.
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Not so with the TLM. People attend the Old Rite because of the reverence shown to Almighty God, not for feel-good ecstasies. There’s a big difference.
 
My conversion “of heart”, as some call it, was nurtured through Charismatic renewal. It introduced me to “little ‘o’” orthodoxy as I had grown up in “one of the mose progressive Dioceses in the country” (I mean we were way ahead of y’all:rolleyes: ) and landed in the most liberal parish in a very orthodox Diocese. I mean what’s a liturgical dancing girl to do? 😉

I was very fortunate that the prayer group I joined and the group that facilitated the Life in the Spirit seminar were as grounded and orthodox as they were. The charismatic masses I went to were more reverent that many Sunday masses I’ve been to. I get that not everyone has had my experience. No barking, no uncontrolable laughter in my experience; I knew that that was a sign that something was wrong, not evidence of the Holy Spirit.

I still would love to be a part of a charismatic prayer group (like the ones I was a part of not the ones I walked away from) and yet I also love the TLM. I wonder if that is okay with some of you? I have long felt that I don’t fit in anywhere - I’m too orthodox for some and not enough for others. I can’t win.

Word to what Deacon B said in Post 18.
 
latinmasslover said:
Not so with the TLM. People attend the Old Rite because of the reverence shown to Almighty God, not for feel-good ecstasies. There’s a big difference.
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Plenty go, and admit it openly as the reason, for how it makes them feel.

They like the drama of it, the spectacle, the sense of separation from community, a sense of “otherworldliness” etc.

Same behavior - different preferences.
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
For those who think it is just a bunch of crazy people, I guess you would have to put our beloved Pope John Paul II in that category, because guess what people, he was one.
Deacon Ed B.
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I salute you for saying this!!!

Last time I mentioned anything close to it (specifically JPII praying in tongues - the gibberish kind) I was told I was lying and no way any such thing would have/could have happened.
 
Freshman88 said:
There is no sense of separation. This is a baseless attack. I have never felt more united with the Saints and the Church then when I am at the Mass of the ages.
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There have been plenty of posts where the Mass is seen as individual prayer and praising the TLM for not having the sense of ‘community’ like the OF - specifically calling it “me and God time”.
 
Hay y’all. The mass is not a me and God thing. It is an us and God thing. Did you know that a priest is not to say the mass if there is no one in attendance. So much for me and God. The mass is for community worship, not individual. Yes, we grow individually because of it, but are also brought together as community.
Deacon Ed B
 
Eilish_Maura said:
There have been plenty of posts where the Mass is seen as individual prayer and praising the TLM for not having the sense of ‘community’ like the OF - specifically calling it “me and God time”.
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I would love to see multiple quotes because this is not the teaching of the Church - i need to see that quote in context because the phrase “me and God time” does not exclude the possibility of community, in fact, by entering into communion with the Triune God we are entering into the deepest sense of community.

Not to mention that the Traditionlist opinion is 100% aligned with all Catholic teachings. It would be an individual who is at fault for saying something, and says nothing of traditionalism which being Catholic, subscribes to the teachings of the Catholic Church. 👍
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
Hay y’all. The mass is not a me and God thing. It is an us and God thing. Did you know that a priest is not to say the mass if there is no one in attendance. So much for me and God. The mass is for community worship, not individual. Yes, we grow individually because of it, but are also brought together as community.
Deacon Ed B
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and that is addressed to who? no one in this thread has expressed the incorrect belief that you are addressing.
 
I am getting tired. This same kind of thread has been popping up over and over with the same (some not as bad, some worse) description of Catholic Charismatics
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Agreed. I nominate Charismatic Catholicism as a banned topic along with unapproved appartions, centering prayer and such.
 
I am responding to the comment in post # 27, not the quote. Elish was referring to other posts that said this. I did not look up those posts, but gave commentary on her comment. OK
Deacon Ed B
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
I am responding to the comment in post # 27, not the quote. Elish was referring to other posts that said this. I did not look up those posts, but gave commentary on her comment. OK
Deacon Ed B
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So “y’all” was addressed to who? It appears that your comment was directed at individuals and wasn’t a mere commentary.

but yeah, I guess its “OK”
 
Well, this topic is in the wrong forum anyway. It’s a Contemporary Catholic inovation to feed spiritual hunger. The Spirituality forum is where this topic belongs.

It has nothing to do with Traditional Roman Catholicism.

If one were to set up a hot dog stand in front of a five star steak house, they should expect to hear a few snickers from those entering the steakhouse.

I have no animosity towards the movement itself. Just don’t try to work it into the Liturgy. JMHO
 
The Southern “y’all” is the equivalent of the Yankee “yous guys”, meaning all you who can hear me. it is an all inclusive phrase, of endearment.
Deacon Ed B
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
Hay y’all. The mass is not a me and God thing. It is an us and God thing. Did you know that a priest is not to say the mass if there is no one in attendance. So much for me and God. The mass is for community worship, not individual. Yes, we grow individually because of it, but are also brought together as community.
Deacon Ed B
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:amen: :amen: :amen:
 
7rosario said:
Most Traditional Catholics (myself included) will argue that NO Charismatic Movement has protestant roots and therefore is a product of the devil. But,

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no, they won’t please speak for yourself, not everyone who has decided to co-opt the term “traditional Catholic”

traditional CAtholics accept the teaching and discipline of the Church, especially and including that regarding the liturgy. you meant to type “dissenting Catholics” I feel sure
 
368ofk said:
That is a false statement.

GIRM
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This all depends what you consider to be “no one”. The Missa Sine Populo assumes that a server is present. The GIRM states:
  1. Mass should not be celebrated without a server, except out of serious necessity. In this case the greetings and the blessing at the end of Mass are omitted.
So, while it’s POSSIBLE for Mass to be celebrated without a server, it certainly should NOT be done without a very good reason.
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
Hay y’all. The mass is not a me and God thing. It is an us and God thing. Did you know that a priest is not to say the mass if there is no one in attendance. So much for me and God. The mass is for community worship, not individual. Yes, we grow individually because of it, but are also brought together as community.
Deacon Ed B
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That is not quite true. The following is the canon which pertains to this. You will note — if a priest has just and reasonable cause --he can offer the Sacrifice with no one in attendance.

vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM

Can. 906 Except for a just and reasonable cause, a priest is not to celebrate the eucharistic sacrifice without the participation of at least some member of the faithful.
 
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