Novus Ordo Mass

[strings385]

I have been a Catholic for just over a year now and have not yet had the privilege of attending the Traditional Latin Mass. My parish as well as most of the parishes of my diocese celebrate the Novus Ordo Mass. After reading a lot of the negative talk on the internet in general about the Ordinary Mass, I find it very insulting to me and everyone who attends the Ordinary Form. I understand and agree with some of the complaints (such as lack of reverence with some people). My question is, what are some good things we can say about the Novus Ordo Mass? Personally, I like the language in the vernacular because I can more deeply participate in the liturgy. (Although I wouldn’t mind the occasional Latin being thrown in there). Also, I like how it incorporates the laity a little more.

 

[Draper]

I have been a Catholic for just over a year now and have not yet had the privilege of attending the Traditional Latin Mass. My parish as well as most of the parishes of my diocese celebrate the Novus Ordo Mass. After reading a lot of the negative talk on the internet in general about the Ordinary Mass, I find it very insulting to me and everyone who attends the Ordinary Form. I understand and agree with some of the complaints (such as lack of reverence with some people). My question is, what are some good things we can say about the Novus Ordo Mass? Personally, I like the language in the vernacular because I can more deeply participate in the liturgy. (Although I wouldn’t mind the occasional Latin being thrown in there). Also, I like how it incorporates the laity a little more.

Pope Benedict XVI purposefully gave us the monikers “Ordinary Form of the Mass or OF Mass” (for the Mass of Pope Paul XVI) and “Extraordinary Form of the Mass or EF Mass” (for the Tridentine Mass) because he was aware that labels like “novus ordo” and “traditional latin mass” are not only inaccurate, they’re highly divisive.

Some good things about the OF Mass? There are plenty.

It’s in a Language I Can Understand: While I certainly appreciate the Latin language, I do prefer to focus on the Mass in a truly serious manner which I cannot do when I must use a missalette to translate.

The Penitential Rite: Some suggest the EF has no PR, others suggest that function is filled by the celebrant and the server for the entire congregation. Either way I find it extremely cathartic for me to personally take part in the PR and humbling that everyone else present is also personally taking part in the PR.

Enlarged Reading Cycles: This goes without saying. The OF exposes the faithful to FAR more of the Bible with its three cycles. This may be the #1 reason why I prefer the OF – greater exposure to God’s word within the context of the Mass.

More Readings on Sundays: Again, this goes without saying. The readings from the OT and NT epistles, the sung responsorial Psalm and the proclaimed Gospel are a definite improvement of the EF offering.

Lay Readers: This is one area that I think involvement from the laity is a most positive addition to the Mass. To me it underscores the importance of reading and studying the Bible by all members of the Church.

Eucharistic Prayer Collection: The Roman Canon is still my favorite, but in no way is it optimal for all Masses given the other EPs that now exist. I appreciate how the OF allows a priest to pick the EF which best matches that day’s Mass and his own homily.

Sign of Peace: An important and humbling yet joyous part of the Mass. When visiting celebrants employ it at the daily EWTN Mass, it fills a gap and makes a most positive contribution to the Mass.

Allowance of EMsHC: Until we are choke-full with an abundance of priests and deacons once again at all Masses, there are times where the allowance of EMsHC (in a non-abusive manner per the Church) is a good thing.

Receiving the Precious Blood from the Chalice: The improved sign value of receiving under both species in this matter is very important to me. Perhaps it makes me feel more like I am at the table?

The 46 approved Saturday Masses for the BVM: I REALLY appreciate these 46 individual Masses for the Blessed Virgin Mary (and their optional readings) that are approved for Saturdays.

 

[powerofk]

I have been a Catholic for just over a year now and have not yet had the privilege of attending the Traditional Latin Mass. My parish as well as most of the parishes of my diocese celebrate the Novus Ordo Mass. After reading a lot of the negative talk on the internet in general about the Ordinary Mass, I find it very insulting to me and everyone who attends the Ordinary Form. I understand and agree with some of the complaints (such as lack of reverence with some people). My question is, what are some good things we can say about the Novus Ordo Mass? Personally, I like the language in the vernacular because I can more deeply participate in the liturgy. (Although I wouldn’t mind the occasional Latin being thrown in there). Also, I like how it incorporates the laity a little more.

Believe me, most of us who were born after Vatican II have never experienced the Extraordinary Form, either. I have, however, been to Ordinary Form Masses celebrated in the traditional {i]ad orientum setting. And, honestly, I think this is probably the best of both worlds. The increased participation of the faithful is important in showing that the Mass belongs to us all, not just the priest. The priest’s line “My sacrifice AND YOURS” is saying that, yes, the priest is the one ordained to offer the sacrifice, but the sacrifice comes from our giving it to him.

 

[MaryT777]

Pope Benedict XVI purposefully gave us the monikers “Ordinary Form of the Mass or OF Mass” (for the Mass of Pope Paul XVI) and “Extraordinary Form of the Mass or EF Mass” (for the Tridentine Mass) because he was aware that labels like “novus ordo” and “traditional latin mass” are not only inaccurate, they’re highly divisive.

Some good things about the OF Mass? There are plenty.

It’s in a Language I Can Understand: While I certainly appreciate the Latin language, I do prefer to focus on the Mass in a truly serious manner which I cannot do when I must use a missalette to translate.

The Penitential Rite: Some suggest the EF has no PR, others suggest that function is filled by the celebrant and the server for the entire congregation. Either way I find it extremely cathartic for me to personally take part in the PR and humbling that everyone else present is also personally taking part in the PR.

Enlarged Reading Cycles: This goes without saying. The OF exposes the faithful to FAR more of the Bible with its three cycles. This may be the #1 reason why I prefer the OF – greater exposure to God’s word within the context of the Mass.

More Readings on Sundays: Again, this goes without saying. The readings from the OT and NT epistles, the sung responsorial Psalm and the proclaimed Gospel are a definite improvement of the EF offering.

Lay Readers: This is one area that I think involvement from the laity is a most positive addition to the Mass. To me it underscores the importance of reading and studying the Bible by all members of the Church.

Eucharistic Prayer Collection: The Roman Canon is still my favorite, but in no way is it optimal for all Masses given the other EPs that now exist. I appreciate how the OF allows a priest to pick the EF which best matches that day’s Mass and his own homily.

Sign of Peace: An important and humbling yet joyous part of the Mass. When visiting celebrants employ it at the daily EWTN Mass, it fills a gap and makes a most positive contribution to the Mass.

Allowance of EMsHC: Until we are choke-full with an abundance of priests and deacons once again at all Masses, there are times where the allowance of EMsHC (in a non-abusive manner per the Church) is a good thing.

Receiving the Precious Blood from the Chalice: The improved sign value of receiving under both species in this matter is very important to me. Perhaps it makes me feel more like I am at the table?

The 46 approved Saturday Masses for the BVM: I REALLY appreciate these 46 individual Masses for the Blessed Virgin Mary (and their optional readings) that are approved for Saturdays.

What a wonderful, thoughtful list.

Mary.

 

[pianistclare]

Pope Benedict XVI purposefully gave us the monikers “Ordinary Form of the Mass or OF Mass” (for the Mass of Pope Paul XVI) and “Extraordinary Form of the Mass or EF Mass” (for the Tridentine Mass) because he was aware that labels like “novus ordo” and “traditional latin mass” are not only inaccurate, they’re highly divisive.

Some good things about the OF Mass? There are plenty.

It’s in a Language I Can Understand: While I certainly appreciate the Latin language, I do prefer to focus on the Mass in a truly serious manner which I cannot do when I must use a missalette to translate.

The Penitential Rite: Some suggest the EF has no PR, others suggest that function is filled by the celebrant and the server for the entire congregation. Either way I find it extremely cathartic for me to personally take part in the PR and humbling that everyone else present is also personally taking part in the PR.

Enlarged Reading Cycles: This goes without saying. The OF exposes the faithful to FAR more of the Bible with its three cycles. This may be the #1 reason why I prefer the OF – greater exposure to God’s word within the context of the Mass.

More Readings on Sundays: Again, this goes without saying. The readings from the OT and NT epistles, the sung responsorial Psalm and the proclaimed Gospel are a definite improvement of the EF offering.

Lay Readers: This is one area that I think involvement from the laity is a most positive addition to the Mass. To me it underscores the importance of reading and studying the Bible by all members of the Church.

Eucharistic Prayer Collection: The Roman Canon is still my favorite, but in no way is it optimal for all Masses given the other EPs that now exist. I appreciate how the OF allows a priest to pick the EF which best matches that day’s Mass and his own homily.

Sign of Peace: An important and humbling yet joyous part of the Mass. When visiting celebrants employ it at the daily EWTN Mass, it fills a gap and makes a most positive contribution to the Mass.

Allowance of EMsHC: Until we are choke-full with an abundance of priests and deacons once again at all Masses, there are times where the allowance of EMsHC (in a non-abusive manner per the Church) is a good thing.

Receiving the Precious Blood from the Chalice: The improved sign value of receiving under both species in this matter is very important to me. Perhaps it makes me feel more like I am at the table?

The 46 approved Saturday Masses for the BVM: I REALLY appreciate these 46 individual Masses for the Blessed Virgin Mary (and their optional readings) that are approved for Saturdays.

Beautifully stated. Thank you so much!

 

[CB_Catholic]

Pope Benedict XVI purposefully gave us the monikers “Ordinary Form of the Mass or OF Mass” (for the Mass of Pope Paul XVI) and “Extraordinary Form of the Mass or EF Mass” (for the Tridentine Mass) because he was aware that labels like “novus ordo” and “traditional latin mass” are not only inaccurate, they’re highly divisive.

Some good things about the OF Mass? There are plenty.

It’s in a Language I Can Understand: While I certainly appreciate the Latin language, I do prefer to focus on the Mass in a truly serious manner which I cannot do when I must use a missalette to translate.

The Penitential Rite: Some suggest the EF has no PR, others suggest that function is filled by the celebrant and the server for the entire congregation. Either way I find it extremely cathartic for me to personally take part in the PR and humbling that everyone else present is also personally taking part in the PR.

Enlarged Reading Cycles: This goes without saying. The OF exposes the faithful to FAR more of the Bible with its three cycles. This may be the #1 reason why I prefer the OF – greater exposure to God’s word within the context of the Mass.

More Readings on Sundays: Again, this goes without saying. The readings from the OT and NT epistles, the sung responsorial Psalm and the proclaimed Gospel are a definite improvement of the EF offering.

Lay Readers: This is one area that I think involvement from the laity is a most positive addition to the Mass. To me it underscores the importance of reading and studying the Bible by all members of the Church.

Eucharistic Prayer Collection: The Roman Canon is still my favorite, but in no way is it optimal for all Masses given the other EPs that now exist. I appreciate how the OF allows a priest to pick the EF which best matches that day’s Mass and his own homily.

Sign of Peace: An important and humbling yet joyous part of the Mass. When visiting celebrants employ it at the daily EWTN Mass, it fills a gap and makes a most positive contribution to the Mass.

Allowance of EMsHC: Until we are choke-full with an abundance of priests and deacons once again at all Masses, there are times where the allowance of EMsHC (in a non-abusive manner per the Church) is a good thing.

Receiving the Precious Blood from the Chalice: The improved sign value of receiving under both species in this matter is very important to me. Perhaps it makes me feel more like I am at the table?

The 46 approved Saturday Masses for the BVM: I REALLY appreciate these 46 individual Masses for the Blessed Virgin Mary (and their optional readings) that are approved for Saturdays.

My sentiments exactly!

 

[rfournier103]

Pope Benedict XVI purposefully gave us the monikers “Ordinary Form of the Mass or OF Mass” (for the Mass of Pope Paul VI) and “Extraordinary Form of the Mass or EF Mass” (for the Tridentine Mass) because he was aware that labels like “novus ordo” and “traditional latin mass” are not only inaccurate, they’re highly divisive.

Well said. And I think you are 100% correct.

I also agree that there were some VERY good changes.

Enlarged Reading Cycles: This goes without saying. The OF exposes the faithful to FAR more of the Bible with its three cycles. This may be the #1 reason why I prefer the OF – greater exposure to God’s word within the context of the Mass.

More Readings on Sundays: Again, this goes without saying. The readings from the OT and NT epistles, the sung responsorial Psalm and the proclaimed Gospel are a definite improvement of the EF offering.

This is where I agree with you the most. The VASTLY expanded reading cycles were a boon to the faithful!!! There are so many lessons; there is so much knowledge; and there is so much grace in the Word of God that more readings and the expanded cycle was THE most brilliant reform made by the Church.

There is also a two-year cycle (1 and 2) of readings for weekday masses in addition to the three-year cycle of Sunday masses (A, B, and C).

I am definitely an enthusiast of the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite and I can assure you that I have NEVER heard ANYONE say that the new expanded cycles for the readings were a bad idea. I’ve heard pretty much everything else criticized, but never that.

 

[ProVobis]

I have been a Catholic for just over a year now and have not yet had the privilege of attending the Traditional Latin Mass. My parish as well as most of the parishes of my diocese celebrate the Novus Ordo Mass. After reading a lot of the negative talk on the internet in general about the Ordinary Mass, I find it very insulting to me and everyone who attends the Ordinary Form. I understand and agree with some of the complaints (such as lack of reverence with some people). My question is, what are some good things we can say about the Novus Ordo Mass? Personally, I like the language in the vernacular because I can more deeply participate in the liturgy. (Although I wouldn’t mind the occasional Latin being thrown in there). Also, I like how it incorporates the laity a little more.

It’s interesting to me how one who supports the OF can so freely use the term “Novus Ordo” which seems to be quite insulting to those he claims he worships with.

 

[rfournier103]

It’s interesting to me how one who supports the OF can so freely use the term “Novus Ordo” which seems to be quite insulting to those he claims he worships with.

I have never understood why people get so bent out of shape over the term “Novus Ordo”. I don’t see anything particularly insulting in the wording. I attend a novus ordo Mass almost every week and have NO problem with the term, or that form of the Mass.

 

[outremer]

I think we could find liturgical unity in the Catholic Church of the United States if we embraced the Anglican Ordinariate Mass

Why not have the best of both worlds, both vernacular and traditional?

 

[ProVobis]

I think we could find liturgical unity in the Catholic Church of the United States if we embraced the Anglican Ordinariate Mass

Why not have the best of both worlds, both vernacular and traditional?

While I appreciate the idea, and I think it’s a good one since the theologies are somewhat similar, nevertheless the EF comes with silence and more supposed mystery surrounding it, among other things. Latin is the most recognizeable difference but Latin is there for a reason, even if it’s no one’s native tongue. Paraphrasing Father Gallagher, Latin belongs to no one and everyone.

I do hope, however, I may someday experience the AO worship.

 

[malphono]

While I appreciate the idea, and I think it’s a good one since the theologies are somewhat similar, nevertheless the EF comes with silence and more supposed mystery surrounding it, among other things. Latin is the most recognizeable difference but Latin is there for a reason, even if it’s no one’s native tongue. Paraphrasing Father Gallagher, Latin belongs to no one and everyone.

I do hope, however, I may someday experience the AO worship.

I would still love to see the Anglican Use project expanded to include a full Latin version. When the compilation began, there was talk of reviving the Sarum Rite (in Latin) for just that purpose. Sadly, that idea seems to have gone nowhere.

 

[porthos11]

I have been a Catholic for just over a year now and have not yet had the privilege of attending the Traditional Latin Mass. My parish as well as most of the parishes of my diocese celebrate the Novus Ordo Mass. After reading a lot of the negative talk on the internet in general about the Ordinary Mass, I find it very insulting to me and everyone who attends the Ordinary Form. I understand and agree with some of the complaints (such as lack of reverence with some people). My question is, what are some good things we can say about the Novus Ordo Mass? Personally, I like the language in the vernacular because I can more deeply participate in the liturgy. (Although I wouldn’t mind the occasional Latin being thrown in there). Also, I like how it incorporates the laity a little more.

I am a regular EF attendee, but the OF is an excellent Mass. My main issue is the manner in which it is celebrated (bad music, extraordinary use of extraordinary ministers, etc.) and the lack of enforcement of the principles of the GIRM. None of those issues are problems inherent to the OF, but are due to a lack of liturgical catechesis. Those in charge should study the GIRM and learn what the OF REALLY says.

While the Council envisioned some use of the vernacular and the retention of Latin (which of course would remain ideal, especially in solemn celebrations), it also allowed the bishops to expand the use of the vernacular. They decided to expand that use to the entire Mass. That’s good too, as you state.

That the OF even in its vernacular form has been embraced by the VAST majority of the Catholic faithful attests to its excellence, rather than detracts from it.

 

[Draper]

It’s interesting to me how one who supports the OF can so freely use the term “Novus Ordo” which seems to be quite insulting to those he claims he worships with.

I strongly agree. “OF Mass” and “EF Mass” flow off the tongue easily and are not offensive to others. Pope Benedict XVI was wise in providing those monikers.

 

[Draper]

I have never understood why people get so bent out of shape over the term “Novus Ordo”. I don’t see anything particularly insulting in the wording. I attend a novus ordo Mass almost every week and have NO problem with the term, or that form of the Mass.

First, because it’s not accurate – it was NEVER the name of the Pauline Mass.

Second, because it seems to be almost exclusively used by those who have issues with the OF Mass while promoting the EF Mass.

In simpler terms, they know its use is offensive to others else they would have stopping using it after Pope Benedict XVI asked us to.

 

[ProVobis]

In simpler terms, they know its use is offensive to others else they would have stopping using it after Pope Benedict XVI asked us to.

I think Pope Benedict also stated that there was to be “no rupture,” and that continuity between the forms was essential. To me, looking for ways to make the Mass different through liturgical committees or to change the theology (through the vernacular or otherwise) is incompatible with those wishes. One only has to look at the way Pope Benedict celebrated his Masses (all in the OF) to realize that, not banal and certainly not fabricated.

 

[Draper]

I think Pope Benedict also stated that there was to be “no rupture,” and that continuity between the forms was essential. To me, looking for ways to make the Mass different through liturgical committees or to change the theology (through the vernacular or otherwise) is incompatible with those wishes. One only has to look at the way Pope Benedict celebrated his Masses (all in the OF) to realize that, not banal and certainly not fabricated.

I very much agree. So is referring to individual parishes as “tlm parishes” or “no parishes.”

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

I very much agree. So is referring to individual parishes as “tlm parishes” or “no parishes.”

Or, as I have seen posted here several times, “NO priests” and even “NO sacraments.”

 

[strings385]

Pope Benedict XVI purposefully gave us the monikers “Ordinary Form of the Mass or OF Mass” (for the Mass of Pope Paul XVI) and “Extraordinary Form of the Mass or EF Mass” (for the Tridentine Mass) because he was aware that labels like “novus ordo” and “traditional latin mass” are not only inaccurate, they’re highly divisive.

I’m sorry, I was not aware of this. I didn’t think Novus Ordo was a derogatory term. I agree though, Ordinary and Extaordinary Form do sound better.

 

[strings385]

It’s interesting to me how one who supports the OF can so freely use the term “Novus Ordo” which seems to be quite insulting to those he claims he worships with.

I wasn’t aware that this was insulting, but now I know.