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Regardless how you feel about Novus Ordo Mass, it is a fact of life. My parish is Novus Ordo. I love my parish, the priests and the other parishioners.

I’ve done a Google search of “Novus Ordo Mass” and found very little. Why is it being rejected?

It is coming to a point that I have no choice but to attend a Novus Ordo Mass, but no one outside of my parish wants to talk about it.

The Pope is infalable. What are so many people forgetting this?

You may be resistant to change and Novus Ordo is an extreme change, but it’s here and we have to make the best of it.

PLEASE HELP ME?
 
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LeahInancsi:
Regardless how you feel about Novus Ordo Mass, it is a fact of life. My parish is Novus Ordo. I love my parish, the priests and the other parishioners.

I’ve done a Google search of “Novus Ordo Mass” and found very little. Why is it being rejected?

It is coming to a point that I have no choice but to attend a Novus Ordo Mass, but no one outside of my parish wants to talk about it.

The Pope is infalable. What are so many people forgetting this?

You may be resistant to change and Novus Ordo is an extreme change, but it’s here and we have to make the best of it.

PLEASE HELP ME?
The correct name is not actually Novus Ordo.
You should search for Pauline Rite or Pauline Mass.
 
I’m also looking for some of your opinions on the subject.
 
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LeahInancsi:
I’m also looking for some of your opinions on the subject.
I’m 57 and only converted to the Catholic Church in the early 1990’s so all I have known is the Pauline Mass and I am happy with it.
I don’t think it is being rejected. Its only the extreme traditionists (who are not only but generally 50+) who try to rubbish it because they want the TLM back. They are in a small minority.
 
As a convert to the Catholic faith, the only mass I have regularly attended is the Pauline Mass or “Novus Ordo Mass.”
In my parish it is done reverently, and I don’t mind it.
However, I bought a “tridentine mass” missal with Latin on one side of the page and English on the other side, and read slowly through the old Latin mass (in English), and I find that the old mass is, to me, much more rich, solemn, and reverent than the Pauline rite. I would love to be able to attend the old mass in the vernacular, but that’s not offered anywhere. About 10 years ago, out of curiosity, I visited an “independent” traditionalist chapel just so I could witness the old mass in Latin. I have to admit, it was absolutely the most gorgeous mass I have ever attended.
I also, on occasion, attend the Byzantine Mass of St. John Chrysostom (in the vernacular) at the Byzantine Catholic Church near my home. It too is a beautiful liturgy and very traditional, and in communion with Rome. But I have no problem with the liturgy of the New Mass.
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Jaypeeto3
 
Why do so many people, such as yourself, make it a point to inflame the situation by posting stuff like this that only widens the gap by having people get the impression that people like you feel like you are Uber Catholics?? Last time I was on these boards, I didn’t see anyone making claims contrary to what you have stated…so why start an antagonistic thread about a topic that has been beat to death??? Why don’t you deal with it?
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LeahInancsi:
Regardless how you feel about Novus Ordo Mass, it is a fact of life. My parish is Novus Ordo. I love my parish, the priests and the other parishioners.

I’ve done a Google search of “Novus Ordo Mass” and found very little. Why is it being rejected?

It is coming to a point that I have no choice but to attend a Novus Ordo Mass, but no one outside of my parish wants to talk about it.

The Pope is infalable. What are so many people forgetting this?

You may be resistant to change and Novus Ordo is an extreme change, but it’s here and we have to make the best of it.

PLEASE HELP ME?
 
I like the Pauline mass as well, if it is done right. My parish only does the NO mass and of the three Sunday morning masses the 11 am mass is the one I prefer. That mass has incence, Gregorian chant, most of the liturgy including the congregational responses are either said or sung in Latin, communion rail (all masses use that), formal procession, etc.

The NO mass can be done every bit as reverently as a TLM, I think that many traditionalists are simply over reacting to how some parishes celebrate mass in a way totally severed from Tradition.
 
I like both but the old Latin Mass is special to me. There is a parish in Rockford which has daily Latin Mass. I try to attend while I visit clients there.

I find that the Novus Ordo mass people are less mindful of the mass. I see and witness people more interested in the the music and being entertained much like these New Age Churches. I find the Latin Mass that I am more in a constant state of prayer and more focused.

But both have their good points. Perhaps do the Latin Mass in english (for us U.S. and Canadians).
 
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josephdavid:
But both have their good points. Perhaps do the Latin Mass in english (for us U.S. and Canadians).
I for one would love to be able to attend a Pauline Mass in Latin.
 
I was meaning the Latin Mass but done in English.

I do like the Novus Ordo mass because it unites Catholic in Fellowship but I often wonder if it was done to make us look “more Protestant”? Alot of the traditional and beautiful Churches are gone.
 
We have a Tridentine Mass in our Archdiocese. It is very nice. The Mass goers are very reverent. However, everyone who goes there makes a special effort to go there. Generally, they are very committed Catholics who love the Mass. At our Novus Ordo (Pauline, I guess) Mass, there is such a mix of those going out of habit, the lukewarmand the “on fire.” Also, the well educated and the not well educated

I wonder if the Tridentine Mass attendees before Vatican II were the same. The few Latin Masses I have gone too were great. But, I don’t see a big difference. Liturgy of the word, liturgy of the Eucharist… 🙂

Of course, we have wonderful priests who are very careful to follow the rubics. 👍

God has designed our souls–are there just some that are more sensitive to liturgy–whatever nuances that I am missing? I like them both. If the Church switched back today, it wouldn’t change my life other than I would have to learn Latin. That could be fun 🙂
 
I don’t think it is the Novus Ordo that people have a problem with, as much as it is how people have taken liberties with the Novus Ordo Mass. It is very difficult to find a Mass which is truly aligned with the original intent for the Pauline Mass.

It would be good to slowly digest some of the writings of Cardinal Arinze, the former Cardinal Ratzinger, now Benedict XVI and some other competent sources.

A good book to consider is, “The Spirit of the Liturgy” written by Ratzinger. He explains many things. The Mass of Vatican 2 has not been seen by many people because so many innovations flooded into it. Those innovations were never granted and have been in the process of being reprobated in documents such as Redemptionis Sacramentum, and other writings, such as the letter written by Cardinal Arinze on Liturgical Piety.

As far back as 1998, Pope John Paul II addressed liturgical abuses in this ad limina address to bishops in Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho and Alaska.

Once you begin to read and understand what is being said, you get a better idea of what is happening out there. Your parish may be one of those in which the pastors have remained faithful to the spirit of the liturgy and have not innovated. But, far more pastors took liberties, some quite innocently because it was being taught at seminaries and by “liturgical experts”. Yet, it was taught in error.

People make the mistake of thinking that the Mass is some place to gather and feel good about themselves and God and to create a celebration. I know that is how Catholicism was painted to me for the last 40 years in my original parish. It was all about the celebration, yet the emphasis on worship of God was lost. Celebration is more conducive to entertainment and entertainment seeking. Worship is something that takes a great deal of serenity, silence, reserved-ness, reverence and piety to fully grasp in a mystical sense. Hopefully, this will become evident in the words of Pope John Paul II in that ad limina address and in the letter by Cardinal Arinze.

When people could not find a place to worship God without all the fanfare, loud guitar music, banners, conversations in Church, lots of physical contact, they turned to the only place they could - the TLM, which was devoid of these things. While some see it as a step backwards, this 40 year old post-v2 Catholic sees it as a step in the right direction. However, all it will take is for bishops to start enforcing liturgical norms properly and many who are flocking to the TLM, may turn back to the Novus Ordo. Some will ultimately prefer the TLM because of its nature and I believe there is a place for people who want to worship this way. The rest of us deserve a place to worship that is reverent, reserved, silent at the right times, and full of sacred music without the guitars, accordions, banjos and everything else that has made its way in. Some parishes use to provide for at least one choral Mass and one simple organ Mass. Now, in some places, all you get is the folk stuff. This needs to change.

If you look through some of my recent posts you will find plenty of pictures of the Novus Ordo celebrated at Assumption Grotto. It resembles a TLM because my pastor chooses the ad orientem stance rather than facing the people. It is a traditional Novus Ordo, done in full compliance with the GIRM. I have a preference for this style over the contemporary Novus Ordo. Like those who attend TLM’s, people come specifically to Grotto for the reverent Masses and the devotional culture. I was born in 1962, and I love it.

Hope this helps.
 
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Lux_et_veritas:
When people could not find a place to worship God without all the fanfare, loud guitar music, banners, conversations in Church, lots of physical contact, they turned to the only place they could - the TLM, which was devoid of these things. While some see it as a step backwards, this 40 year old post-v2 Catholic sees it as a step in the right direction. However, all it will take is for bishops to start enforcing liturgical norms properly and many who are flocking to the TLM, may turn back to the Novus Ordo. Some will ultimately prefer the TLM because of its nature and I believe there is a place for people who want to worship this way. The rest of us deserve a place to worship that is reverent, reserved, silent at the right times, and full of sacred music without the guitars, accordions, banjos and everything else that has made its way in. Some parishes use to provide for at least one choral Mass and one simple organ Mass. Now, in some places, all you get is the folk stuff. This needs to change.
I would agree with you on these points. I was pretty close to driving out to the middle of nowhere to go to a TLM mass (the only indult mass we have in my area is quite a drive) until I found a parish that celebrates a Pauline mass in what I think was the true intention of VII.

I would also encourage people to read The Spirit of the Liturgy. I actually read that book prior to attending my first mass, and it helped me know what to look for in the liturgy in order to find a parish that does it right.
 
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Lapsed:
I for one would love to be able to attend a Pauline Mass in Latin.
It’s a pity you are not farther East.
We have a Latin NO on Wednesday mornings.
 
I agree…lets just think about a few things I can think of off hand that was changed in the Mass, but was not mandated by VII…it is just an invention that Priest and Bishops have just decided to inject.

1)Priest facing the people
2)Removal of all Latin from the Mass
3)Receiving Communion in the hand
4)Standing while receiving Communion
5)Removal of Communion Rails
6)Pizza Hut Churches
7)Stripping of the Altars
8)Destroying the original High Altars and flipping them around
8)Removal of tabernacle from center of Church to some obscure spot (out of sight, out of mind…)
9)Removal of Frescoes, Icons, and Statues from Churches
10)Guitars and Drums replace Angelic Choirs
11)White Bathrobes replace the Cassock and Surplice of the Altar Boys and Alcolytes…oh yeah, and now women are now Altar “servers”
12)Non Ordained Lectors and Readers

Gents…this is just a handful of things that pop in my mind that have evolved into the modern day Mass that was not mandated or even hinted at during Vatican II…that is what Traditionalist such as myself has always had a problem with…I don’t have a problem with VII or the Pauline Mass…what I have a problem with is man made inventions that have improperly found their way into our Churches.
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Lux_et_veritas:
I don’t think it is the Novus Ordo that people have a problem with, as much as it is how people have taken liberties with the Novus Ordo Mass. It is very difficult to find a Mass which is truly aligned with the original intent for the Pauline Mass.

It would be good to slowly digest some of the writings of Cardinal Arinze, the former Cardinal Ratzinger, now Benedict XVI and some other competent sources.

A good book to consider is, “The Spirit of the Liturgy” written by Ratzinger. He explains many things. The Mass of Vatican 2 has not been seen by many people because so many innovations flooded into it. Those innovations were never granted and have been in the process of being reprobated in documents such as Redemptionis Sacramentum, and other writings, such as the letter written by Cardinal Arinze on Liturgical Piety.

As far back as 1998, Pope John Paul II addressed liturgical abuses in this ad limina address to bishops in Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho and Alaska.

Once you begin to read and understand what is being said, you get a better idea of what is happening out there. Your parish may be one of those in which the pastors have remained faithful to the spirit of the liturgy and have not innovated. But, far more pastors took liberties, some quite innocently because it was being taught at seminaries and by “liturgical experts”. Yet, it was taught in error.

People make the mistake of thinking that the Mass is some place to gather and feel good about themselves and God and to create a celebration. I know that is how Catholicism was painted to me for the last 40 years in my original parish. It was all about the celebration, yet the emphasis on worship of God was lost. Celebration is more conducive to entertainment and entertainment seeking. Worship is something that takes a great deal of serenity, silence, reserved-ness, reverence and piety to fully grasp in a mystical sense. Hopefully, this will become evident in the words of Pope John Paul II in that ad limina address and in the letter by Cardinal Arinze.
 
Does anyone know of any churches in the GTA ( Greater Toronto Area), more specifically Mississauga area that offers the type of mass used before VII ( in latin , facing the front n such) i cant recall the name off the top of my head, only the new form , Pauline mass. Any help would be appreciated. thnx
 
The Pre-Conciliar Latin Mass…sometimes referred to as the Traditional Latin Mass…or the Tridentine Mass.

Try this website and see if you can come up with something…Sonny

masstimes.org/dotNet/
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willy:
Does anyone know of any churches in the GTA ( Greater Toronto Area), more specifically Mississauga area that offers the type of mass used before VII ( in latin , facing the front n such) i cant recall the name off the top of my head, only the new form , Pauline mass. Any help would be appreciated. thnx
 
Again, you are way off in terms of the ages of people who call t hemselves traditionalists, While I do not full subscibe to the rad-trad line, and in fact, I am put off by much of its tactless militancy, those who are traditional Catholics are generally under 50. In fact I would say the group that is smallest in many Traditionalist chapels is the 40-65 age bracket, with thoser under 40 making up the largest group. Dont believe me, go to parishe sthat have the TLM such as St John Cantius in Chicago, go to parishes that bring the current mass to be almost like the TLM such as the Assumption Grotto in Detroit or St. Agnes in St. Paul MN. It will be far more young familes than people who are middle aged.
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thistle:
I’m 57 and only converted to the Catholic Church in the early 1990’s so all I have known is the Pauline Mass and I am happy with it.
I don’t think it is being rejected. Its only the extreme traditionists (who are not only but generally 50+) who try to rubbish it because they want the TLM back. They are in a small minority.
 
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