Novus Ordo Philosophy?

[trickster]

One of the reasons I am against bringing Latin back is spelling Kidding. I am`reviwing some of the criticisms against the post Vatican II church, you know the usual; (anti-modernist arguements, liturgical changes that minimize the greatness of God and so forth).

I am wondering though does anyone know if there has been a shift in emphasis in regards to the types of philosophical arguments pre-vatican?

Cheerz

Trickster

Bruce

 

[Neofight]

Yes.

 

[trickster]

Yes.

Hello Neofight. Work with me on this one…can you elaborate what you meant by yes?

Thanks

Bruce

 

[Chatter163]

I don’t understand what is being asked. What does “a shift in emphasis in regards to the types of philosophical arguments pre-Vatican” mean?

 

[trickster]

I don’t understand what is being asked. What does “a shift in emphasis in regards to the types of philosophical arguments pre-Vatican” mean?

I am not sure what I am asking either I have a sense that the traditional sources of philosophy called into service for the explanation of theology may have shifted after Vatican II, so that is where I am generally directing the question…were there new philosophical schools… I am reading about philosophical theology which is being taught in universities now…so that is interesting…

Trickster

 

[Thomas_Casey]

Please ask questions using language that the average man in the pew speaks.

Thank You

 

[trickster]

Please ask questions using language that the average man in the pew speaks.

Thank You

Easier said than done Thomas I’m trying to get a sense of my question first. I know that in the pre-Council world there was always a relationship between philosophy and theology; as theology advanced after Vatican II I am wondering how philosophy has moved forward in the post Vatican II church. Don’t know how to put it much more directly than that…

Take care Thomas

Bruce Ferguson
trickster

 

[thistle]

Easier said than done Thomas I’m trying to get a sense of my question first. I know that in the pre-Council world there was always a relationship between philosophy and theology; as theology advanced after Vatican II I am wondering how philosophy has moved forward in the post Vatican II church. Don’t know how to put it much more directly than that…

Take care Thomas

Bruce Ferguson
trickster

Your question is too vague and general.

What do you think has changed then perhaps we can debate that?

 

[TimothyH]

Easier said than done Thomas I’m trying to get a sense of my question first. I know that in the pre-Council world there was always a relationship between philosophy and theology; as theology advanced after Vatican II I am wondering how philosophy has moved forward in the post Vatican II church. Don’t know how to put it much more directly than that…

Take care Thomas

Bruce Ferguson
trickster

Monastic/meditative/contemplative theology dominated the first he first thousand years of the Church. Philosophy was not universally accepted as a basis for theology until the mid-tenth century at a minimum.

It might be that your use of “pre-Council” and “always” was a reference to more modern times (post-reformation?) but it can be argued that there was not always a relationship between philosophy and theology. Monastic theology disdained philosophy to a great extent.

It could be that the Church is in the infancy of a movement away from scholastic theology, a theology based on reasoning and questioning. It could be that we are seeing the beginning of a move back toward a more contemplative theology, a theology of entering into the mystery ather than trying to disect it, categorize it and understand it. Traditionalists are the first extol the “otherness” of the Ordinary Form and I think this is a reflection of modern man’s desire for mystery.

-Tim-

 

[TimothyH]

I should not have used the phrase “move away” from philosophy but should have spoken instead of “move toward a balance” of monastic and scholastic theology.

-Tim-