Novus Ordo Requiem Mass?

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Does the Novus Ordo have a Requiem Mass?
I’m asking this because when I attended NO parishes they twice refused to say a mass for a relative’s soul, and simply said the name on the 7th day, and a year later they wouldn’t even say it.
 
Of course, yes.

There’s an entire section of the Roman Missal providing for Masses for the Dead (ie Requiems).

Mentioning the name out loud is an option. Some of the Masses for the Dead have such a place, some do not.

Eucharistic Prayers 2 and 3 have an optional addition to add the name of the deceased (if the Mass intention is for the dead). EP 1 has no such provision, because adding the name of the deceased is done silently.

No parish can outright refuse to have a Mass intention for the dead. Parishes can have scheduling policies (such as only taking intentions from parishioners), or the priest can decide for each individual Mass whether or not to use any of the specific prayers for the dead.

The specific Masses for the Dead are only allowed on certain days in the calendar.
 
Ioannes_L said:
Is your beef only with me calling the Novus Ordo Novus Ordo ?
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My first thought was “answer my question first, and then I will answer yours”, but you answered loud and clear with your snarky response…so, no, frankly my beef is not with you or anyone else referring to the Ordinary Form as Novus Ordo, but only with those who explicitly or implicitly imply that one form is better than an other…which is fairly easy to read.
 
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I’m asking this because when I attended NO parishes they twice refused to say a mass for a relative’s soul, and simply said the name on the 7th day, and a year later they wouldn’t even say it.
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In my experience, you’re expected to reserve the Mass for your deceased relative for a certain date, in advance, at the parish office. If they say “no” it’s generally because somebody else already reserved all the available Masses for the date you want. The Mass that you get is generally just whatever Mass is normally said on the date you reserve - you don’t get a special Requiem Mass. If you did, then the Church would be saying Requiem Masses almost all the time because almost every Mass gets reserved for the soul of someone’s relative who has died.

At the regular Mass, if you reserve it for your intention, then usually the name of the deceased is mentioned at least once or twice during the Mass. Some priests will announce it at the beginning before Mass begins, “This Mass is being said for the repose of the soul of John Jones”, others will mention the name during the General Intercessions, and others will mention it during the Eucharistic Prayer as Father said. I have heard of situations though where the priest didn’t say the name, or said the wrong name, or said a different intention than what was in the parish Mass book (for instance if the priest is a visiting priest and didn’t happen to check the correct intention) and it can be upsetting if the relatives of the deceased are in the congregation expecting to hear their loved one’s name. But it’s my understanding that in at least some circumstances, the Mass can still be offered for the loved one even if the name isn’t said (I edited this).
Here is an article I read a while ago that addressed one such situation of the wrong intention being announced at a Mass for a deceased loved one.

canonlawmadeeasy.com

Mass Intentions and Stipends (Part I)

Q: The noon Mass last Sunday was supposed to be offered for my deceased grandmother. I scheduled the Mass with the parish secretary and gave a monetary offering long ago. The bulletin listed my gra…
canonlawmadeeasy.com

if you can’t get a Mass said through your parish, you can request Masses directly from the missions at CNEWA.org, which is what I do most of the time.
 
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Hereiam said:
My first thought was “answer my question first, and then I will answer yours”, but you answered loud and clear with your snarky response…
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If you want to find someone to argue with, good luck for you, but I’m not that person.
My question is only about the Requiem Mass, I’m not here to make a fuss about the NO.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
said the wrong name
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Well, that’s basically what happened during the 7th day mass, the lay “reader”(I have no clue how they’re called) didn’t got the name right, so basically it was a double disappointment.
 
I’m sorry that happened to you. If they just mispronounced the name or left part of it out, God knows who the Mass is for and the Mass was credited accordingly.
Actually, I believe God knows your intention and would give your relative the benefit of the Mass because you made every effort to have it said, and if somebody screwed up, it was beyond your control.
 
Paul VI himself called it the Novus Ordo, as have all the other Popes since him.
 
yes and there is a difference between a requiem Mass and a memorial mass. I believe a Mass without a body is a Memorial Mass.

but I could be wrong. If you want a relative remembered in a mass, just write the intention to the parish secretary, (usually with a donation for the Parish) and wait till its your turn.

I had one Mass intention for a dead soul. It was set for a certain date. but it got shifted because of the very recent death of a religious. When time came for my dead person’s turn, the Bishop was celebrating that Mass and read his name out as the Mass intention for the day.
Awesome.
 
“Requiem Mass” is a term for a funeral Mass, and a colloquial term for any funeral in the western world.

Yes, the church still has requiem Masses.
 
And thus requires a body or ashes. Otherwise it’s a memorial Mass
 
You seem to be complaining about the language itself? Novus = New, Ordo = Order. It’s pretty straightforward. New Order of Mass.
 
The 2013 book “Rebuilt” by Father Michael White and Tom Corcoran has on page 7:

“• Clergy and staff were treated by parishioners as employees—sometimes with hostility, often with indifference, and, when we were doing what they wanted us to, with condescension.

• Complaint was a standard form of communication. Anything from failing to announce the Mass “intention” to the temperature inside the building would bring it on.”

The chapter this extract is from is at https://rebuiltparish.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/rebuilt-sample-chapter.pdf

The problem is described further in another book “Tools for Rebuilding” page 163. “… Some people would buy fifty, even one-hundred dollars worth of Masses. These Masses became “their” Masses. A consequence of this commerce was the unspoken expectation that their intention got attention – from the altar.”

To “change the consumer culture that had developed around the practice” one solution was to stop announcing Mass intentions. Another was:

“WE STOPPED ACCEPTING INTENTIONS

All our Masses are offered weekly pro populo (for the people), and on a rotating basis for all the deceased, for those in need, for the sick, and so forth. We offer no more special intentions for individuals.” (Tools for Rebuilding, page 165).
 
I don’t know where Fr. White’s parish is, but I have never seen a parish in my life where every Mass was “pro populo”, nor have I seen a parish where a parishioner was allowed to “buy” that many Masses even if they had the money and the inclination to do so. I further note that as we have discussed on here many times, the term “buying” a Mass is wrong and a priest writing a book shouldn’t be using that terminology.

Most parishes I know would allow the parishioner to reserve a certain number of Masses and then would send any excess requests to the missions. Most people requesting Masses also understand that they should leave some for others and not be greedy. (And most of the people I know who request Masses would not have 50 or 100 dollars to spend all at once.)

The parishes I know would face a large outcry from parishioners if they could not request Masses be said for their particular loved ones. Also, it’s reasonable to expect the priest to announce the Mass intention, and at almost every Mass I attend this is done without any problem. “Rebuilt” sounds like a very weird parish that I would not want to be in.
 
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DignumEtJustum said:
You seem to be complaining about the language itself? Novus = New, Ordo = Order. It’s pretty straightforward. New Order of Mass.
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Astute observation…that’s exactly what I’m doing.

I bought a 1963 Chevy when it came off the line…it was a new car then, but if I were to call it a new car today, it would be a bit odd.
 
The American dollar bill has the latin slogan “Novus Ordo Seclorum” on its reverse, but the US Republic has been around since 1776.

If “new order” is appropriate for a 242 year old nation, it should be ok for a liturgy which is 50 years old.

Some things age better than others. An idea ages better than a car, and a car ages better than a loaf of bread.
 
Last salvo…I fear I made this a bigger deal than I ever wanted to…Not a hill worth dying on…I will stick to Ordinary and Extraordinary Form…odds are I will not enter into casual conversation in ecclesiastical Latin anytime soon. 🙂
 
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