Now abstinence is unhealthy

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Fans of abstinence had better be sitting down. “Saving yourself” before the big game, the big business deal, the big hoedown or the big bake-off may indeed confer some moral benefit. But corporeally it does absolutely zip. There’s no evidence it sharpens your competitive edge.
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This article is very deceptive. There are many other ways to derive the same health benefits supposedly gained from sexual activity. No one needs to get it on with someone (or on their own) for heart health. Simple routine exercise will make for a healthier heart. Exercise is also proven to help rid people of depression…and on and on…this article is nonsense.
 
This is why so many people are commiting sexual sins. It’s ‘good for you’ now. I wonder how many non-believers will fall deeper into sin because of this? Or young people who don’t know the difference?
 
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BlindSheep:
Be warned, there is some explicit stuff in this article:
forbes.com/health/2005/10/05/sex-health-lifestyle-cz_af_1005health.html?partner=compuserve

I wonder what the consequences will be, if sex and/or masturbation are considered necessary for good health.
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That is not true and insurance companies know it. It is easily seen in the clergy, celibate persons, who live much longer and healthier lives than others in average. I was looking at some info on clergy life and what not and it addressed that they have significantly lower life insurance costs, because of their higher life expectancy and better health. This stuff about celibacy being bad for the health is rubbish and just a product of a world based on sexuality.
 
This stuff about celibacy being bad for the health is rubbish and just a product of a world based on sexuality.
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I’d rather say “a world based on lust”.

The world IS based on sexuality, inasmuch as sexuality is the expression of God’s life-giving love, of the masculine-feminine identity, a primal biological and psychological instinct for the continuation of the species. Even celibate people are expected to be sexual people, just in a different way. But the very fact that priests must be men proves their role is not androgynous, nor are they supposed to become neutered.

Whereas “lust” contains the negative connotations which I believe you are trying to convey.
 
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batteddy:
I’d rather say “a world based on lust”.

The world IS based on sexuality, inasmuch as sexuality is the expression of God’s life-giving love, of the masculine-feminine identity, a primal biological and psychological instinct for the continuation of the species. Even celibate people are expected to be sexual people, just in a different way. But the very fact that priests must be men proves their role is not androgynous, nor are they supposed to become neutered.

Whereas “lust” contains the negative connotations which I believe you are trying to convey.
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Ok I agree with the use of “lust” in place of sexuality, but you confused me with the celibate, but sexual in another way, I don’t understand that, maybe just the way you said it.
 
It would appear that Forbes is giving its readers “the business.” My only problem with statistical studies of celibate clergy is that in todays situation, how many are reliably celibate. Seems like what appears to be going on with some of our clergymen would skew the results. Besides what married couple needs to read a study to find an excuse for having sexual relations. I have read somewhere that once every two or three weeks is sufficent for a healthy prostate. I assume that one otherwise gets sufficent exercise. After the infamous sex studies of the 60’s why would anyone trust a study of the topic?
 
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BryPGuy89:
That is not true and insurance companies know it. It is easily seen in the clergy, celibate persons, who live much longer and healthier lives than others in average. I was looking at some info on clergy life and what not and it addressed that they have significantly lower life insurance costs, because of their higher life expectancy and better health. This stuff about celibacy being bad for the health is rubbish and just a product of a world based on sexuality.
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Given the recent worldwide scandal another interpretation is available.
 
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BryPGuy89:
That is not true and insurance companies know it. It is easily seen in the clergy, celibate persons, who live much longer and healthier lives than others in average. I was looking at some info on clergy life and what not and it addressed that they have significantly lower life insurance costs, because of their higher life expectancy and better health. This stuff about celibacy being bad for the health is rubbish and just a product of a world based on sexuality.
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Chances are that the only celibate persons are also deeply religious and are celibate for precisely that reason.

How might deeply religious people differ from the general population? Well, chances are they will not be involved in drugs that lead to bad health and death, chances are they will not be involved with multiple sexual partners that leads to STD’s and death, chances are they will not be alcoholics, won’t overeat etc.

Maybe if those people in addition had healthy sex lives they’d live even longer and better lives, who knows?
 
I expect nothing less comming from the Culture of Pervesion.

PF
 
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WanderAimlessly:
I expect nothing less comming from the Culture of Pervesion.

PF
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Why is it perverted to acknowledge that sexuality is an important part of human life and that it might actually be good for us?

No one is talking about wild orgies or pedophilia here. Good old healthy sex between spouses suffices, is that a perversion too?
 
The article was talking about masturbation and such. Masturbation is wrong.

I trust the Bible over Forbes.
 
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SpiritIsWilling:
The article was talking about masturbation and such. Masturbation is wrong.

I trust the Bible over Forbes.
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Where does the Bible forbid masturbation?
 
Does the Bible directly forbid masturbation. . .Not that I know of.

But is it a good thing that causes you to think lustful and immoral thoughts about a woman. . .Potentially making an object out of them? Does masturbation bring you closer to God? Does it add to the sanctity of martial sex? No, it’s just a cheap thrill that will lead you to Hell.

At Fatima the Blessed Virgin said that most people go to Hell due to sexual sins.

I’m 16 and struggling with masturbation. Believe me, I know what I’m talking about.
 
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SpiritIsWilling:
Does the Bible directly forbid masturbation. . .Not that I know of.

But is it a good thing that causes you to think lustful and immoral thoughts about a woman. . .Potentially making an object out of them? Does masturbation bring you closer to God? Does it add to the sanctity of martial sex? No, it’s just a cheap thrill that will lead you to Hell.

At Fatima the Blessed Virgin said that most people go to Hell due to sexual sins.

I’m 16 and struggling with masturbation. Believe me, I know what I’m talking about.
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I don’t know. Maybe you’re harming yourself more by demonizing your natural sexual desires than you would if you masturbated.

I agree that there’s nothing holy or lofty about masturbation, it’s pretty basic seeking of physical pleasure and a lack of self control in response to the most powerful instinct we have.

Is it evil? About as much as eating ice cream for pleasure. If you are looking at pornography or thinking pornographic thoughts, you can make an argumentn for it being bad. But if you’re just doing the physical act for pleasure … it’s kind of neutral, I wouldn’t see evil in it. Maybe a lack of self control

I think it is good to abstain from masturbation and save sexuality for spouse alone. It’s something people should try to do precisely for marriage/spouse etc.

But going to hell because of a lack of self control over the most powerful human instinct? That sounds excessive to me.
 
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SpiritIsWilling:
At Fatima the Blessed Virgin said that most people go to Hell due to sexual sins…
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Does that include the guy who wrote the Songs of Solomon because it’s pretty racy and yet it somehow got into the Bible.
 
Here is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says:

**2352 **By *masturbation *is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. “Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action.” “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of “the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved.”

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects’ moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability

Abstinence is not unhealthy.
 
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