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What is the link to Fish Eaters?
You were banned for the promotion of heresy (denial of Marian doctrines) and for continuing to make accounts (you’re not allowed to make accounts after being banned). This account of yours will likely be banned as well.despite it contained bible quotes as referenve and no attacks to other posters at all.
A dogma cannot be overturned. I don’t care what declaration you’re referring to, no one, not even the Pope, has the power to overturn a dogma when it has been defined. It does not say whatever you think it says.Not true.
The church has signed joint declaration with eastern churches, admiting the condemnation is misunderstanding of the past.
A Pope may not disagree with dogma. Two Popes may not disagree with dogma.Well at least two popes disagree with you, and a few eastern churches.
Truth is not a burden. Truth is a necessity. And it hardly “divides the Church”.Another question is whether it is a necessity for salvation, and if not, why insist on placing burden that divides the church?
Just chiming in to agree with the first two sentences but respectfully disagree with the third.Truth is not a burden. Truth is a necessity. And it hardly “divides the Church”.
Jesus prayed for Church Unity in John 17
Luke 11:Truth does divide. Jesus told us it would. It’s just that division between truth and falsehood isn’t a bad division, it’s a good division.
The Church cannot declare something which is false as truth. It cannot declare falsehood as a dogma. Mary is the Mother of God.“11:18 And if Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand?”
I agree with you that internal unity means the Church cannot now contradict what she has already taught regarding the Marian dogmas.“… Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division; for henceforth in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three; they will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against her mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.”
This is why you don’t rely on your own interpretations outside of that of the Church. The people John was speaking to were not the Blessed Mother. He was not making a general statement regarding all people everywhere.1John 1:5-2:2
If we say “We are without sin”, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not with us.
There is no ambiguity here as to whom the Pope is speaking to and that what he’s saying is to be held by all as Christian truth.“Wherefore, in humility and fasting, we unceasingly offered our private prayers as well as the public prayers of the Church to God the Father through his Son, that he would deign to direct and strengthen our mind by the power of the Holy Spirit. In like manner did we implore the help of the entire heavenly host as we ardently invoked the Paraclete. Accordingly, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, for the honor of the Holy and undivided Trinity, for the glory and adornment of the Virgin Mother of God, for the exaltation of the Catholic Faith, and for the furtherance of the Catholic religion, by the authority of Jesus Christ our Lord, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by our own: “We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.”[29]”