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hlgomez
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Where can I find verses in the Bible that says we must accept Jesus as “personal Lord and Saviour”?
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tkdnick
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Romans 10:9?
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hlgomez
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tkdnick
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Sorry. It was the best I could come up with. I SERIOUSLY doubt you will find a scripture verse that states verbatim “accept Jesus as personal Lord and Savior.”
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Salmon
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On the other hand, confessing Jesus as Lord won’t gain any advantage for you unless you obey His commands.
Even the King James bible teaches that (v.44):
Matt 25: 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Obviously, confessing Jesus as Lord constitutes only the start of the journey.
Peace in Christ…Salmon
Even the King James bible teaches that (v.44):
Matt 25: 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Obviously, confessing Jesus as Lord constitutes only the start of the journey.
Peace in Christ…Salmon
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hlgomez
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Romans 10:9 will not lead to accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Saviour but to repentance and faith, and eventually baptism. This will save a person, that thru baptism.
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michaelp
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John 1:12. This is the only occurance of the word “recieve” in connection with salvaton. By far the more common word it “faith/trust.” Recieve is not a bad concept since it is another way to say to trust in what He did at the cross. When you trust in what he did, you “recieve” him as your savior. Since it is you who is doing this (i.e. not by virtue of any connection with your local church, family, country, etc.), it must be “personal.” Hence, people must recieve Christ as their personal savior.
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michaelp
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I agree, the type of faith that saves will necessarily show itself in these good works since we are saved “unto good works” (Eph 2:10).
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Benadam
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would you agree that if one did recieve Him in the way you describe, they would be compelled to ,no driven actually to be in communion with local church, and on the other side of those personal events wouldn’t the very idea of Christ reaching that persons ears had been dependent on that local church?. What I want to point out is that on both sides of the place of that personal decision there is a faith that’s passed down that brings meaning to scriptures.
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michaelp
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I do to the degree that they are in submission to Christ Lordship. We are all in submission to it to varying degrees.
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Benadam
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yes I agree, your mind is a finer toothed comb than mine I think. Let me rephrase that.
Would you agree that the personal decision to accept Christ is available because of a community of Christians and that to not experience some connection to them strong eneogh to include them in your new found faith is an indication that Christ wasn’t really recieved? There really is nothing to recieve without a body of believers offering Him from generation to generation. In that light Our Saviour can’t be a personal Saviour because He is the same yesterday , today and tomorrow. To me it seems to turn the relationship around. I can be His peronal whatever but I can’t make Him my personal anything because I’m the one that’s corruptible.
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Malachi4U
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Give them time, someday they will write a Bible with that verse in it!
Not the catholics of course.
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liber8ed217
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Where in the Bible does it say you have to be baptized to be saved… remember the thief on the cross? I seriously doubt he got baptized yet Jesus gave him salvation…
Ephesisans 2:8,9 tells us that “we are saved by GRACE through FAITH, and this not of yourselves-- but a gift from God-- NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast.” Lets not ignore that passage!
Ephesisans 2:8,9 tells us that “we are saved by GRACE through FAITH, and this not of yourselves-- but a gift from God-- NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast.” Lets not ignore that passage!
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Apparently (according to the RCC) Jesus didn’t want a personal relationship.
Jesus never humbled Himself, never took on human form, never preached the Good News about His grace and mercy, never healed, never formed relationships with His disciples… wait, HE DID!
Of course Jesus wants YOU to accept Him as YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR… “MY Lord and MY God.”… John 20:28— Jesus died for YOU personally… think about that!
Jesus never humbled Himself, never took on human form, never preached the Good News about His grace and mercy, never healed, never formed relationships with His disciples… wait, HE DID!
Of course Jesus wants YOU to accept Him as YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR… “MY Lord and MY God.”… John 20:28— Jesus died for YOU personally… think about that!
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tkdnick
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WHAT?!?!?!? I truly hope that you were being sarcastic!
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hlgomez
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Will Jesus say something that is not important? “Go and preach the Good News to all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” Take a look at the Acts of the apostles where you can see thsoe who believe in the Lord are baptized–I mean ALL OF THEM. So, if it has nothing to do with salvation, then why bother baptizing them?
The thief on the cross was “baptized” by the “baptism of desire.” He desires to be with Jesus.
Again, in the book of Revelation, it tells us that everyone is judge according to their “works” or “deeds.” It doesn’t say "everyone is judged according to their “faith.” Take a look at it, brother.
Peace,
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hlgomez
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I guess you should support your allegations with proof. Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church where did you find that the Catholic Church says that we don’t want a “personal” relationship.
I tell you brother/or sister (I don’t know you), there is nothing in the world, not even the finest speech of Protestants about relationship with Jesus, can compare with meeting the Lord himself and receiving Him in the Eucharist. There we receive Jesus–Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. There is nothing more “personal” or “intimate” than that.
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Salmon
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Mark 16:16 gives us the normal mode, whereas few of us can expect conversion while nailed to a cross adjacent to Christ.
If you believe that Christ is returning to be crucified again, feel free to skip baptism and wait.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Nor should we ignore the next verse.
Eph. 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Odd how some ignore the importance of what “God hath before ordained”.
Peace in Christ…Salmon
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mercygate
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Ah, liber. The thief on the cross is one of those places where we witness the extraordinary – as opposed to the ordinary – grace of God. While Our Lord TELLS us that we MUST be baptized, he can, as an act of pure and gratuitous grace, step outside of his own mandate – as in this case. Besides, the great commission to is not yet in place; that comes 43 days later (Mt. 28:19).Where in the Bible does it say you have to be baptized to be saved… remember the thief on the cross? I seriously doubt he got baptized yet Jesus gave him salvation…
Ephesisans 2:8,9 tells us that “we are saved by GRACE through FAITH, and this not of yourselves-- but a gift from God-- NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast.” Lets not ignore that passage!
Though God gives us the ordinary means of grace (baptism) to be accepted by all who are able, he is not limited even by himself.
The Catholic Church has never ignored that passage from Ephesians. The Catholic Church has never taught “salvation through our own works.”
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mercygate
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Come again? Where ever did you get an idea like that? Certainly not from the Catholic Church! Is there a more personal relationship than receiving Jesus – Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity – in the Holy Eucharist?
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