Nude in Church

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mercygate said:
Gen 3:21: And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins, and clothed them.
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He did not force them to wear them though, He made them for them because they felt that they shouldn’t be naked. I believe this is what he means.
 
I guess I have been on Earth too long! As a young man I would have never thought that I would have the question seriously presented by a Christian. " Is it OK for old women to pose nude in church for money ?". The sad part is so many don’t have a clue if it is OK or not. The only thing I think that is more amazing is that God hasn’t said that enough is enough and pulled the plug on the whole deal
 
watchoutbelow said:
He did not force them to wear them though, He made them for them because they felt that they shouldn’t be naked. I believe this is what he means.
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JPUSC alleged that God did not give Adam and Eve clothes. I would not presume to second guess JP’s intention. The statement was incorrect, and the point is not trivial.
 
mercygate said:
JPUSC alleged that God did not give Adam and Eve clothes. I would not presume to second guess JP’s intention. The statement was incorrect, and the point is not trivial.
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I stand corrected with that scripture verse, but I did intend that God made the clothing because Adam and Eve themselves felt that they shouldn’t be naked.
 
watchoutbelow said:
I was referring more to posts like rpp’s “Shameful and scandalous. The pastor and those who posed seem morally bankrupt.” Sure it might not have been the way we would raise money or the best way to have raised money in general, but that seems like a little much to me. 🤷 I understand it was in a church but it was for a good cause. The ends justify the means, especially since the means are just posing tastefully (w/o ‘parts’ showing) for a calendar to support Breast Cancer Awareness.
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let’s see
1.
“shameful and scandalous and morally bankrupt”
vs
2. “anything goes as long as it’s for a good cause”

I’ll go with door #1

I’
 
watchoutbelow said:
I was referring more to posts like rpp’s “Shameful and scandalous. The pastor and those who posed seem morally bankrupt.” Sure it might not have been the way we would raise money or the best way to have raised money in general, but that seems like a little much to me. 🤷 I understand it was in a church but it was for a good cause. The ends justify the means, especially since the means are just posing tastefully (w/o ‘parts’ showing) for a calendar to support Breast Cancer Awareness.
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I stand by my statement and reject your equivocating and morally relativistic reasoning.
 
I hope that you all don’t mind this Episcopalian woman posting in this post …🙂
JPUSC said:
LOL. Didn’t Adam and Eve only have the inclination to put on clothes after they had committed sin? Before, they were just prancing around naked.
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mercygate said:
Gen 3:21: And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins, and clothed them.
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Hi JPUSC,

I believe that you are correct. Fig leaves were the first clothes(loincloths) made by Adam and Eve.

Here is the supporting scripture Genesis 3:6-11 (NRSV)

6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and
they knew that they were naked;and they sewed fig leaves together and made loincloths for themselves. 8 They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden at the time of the evening breeze, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, and said to him,“Where are you?”10 He said, “I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.” 11 He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?”
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Interesting to note, the Episcopal women that posed in God's house were not afraid like Adam and Eve to appear naked in front of Him.  This is AWESOME, don't you agree!  Adam and Eve felt guilt for what they had done, while these women knew that what they were doing was bringing awareness of an awful cancer that has touched many of their sisters in Christ!    He knows where these sisters hearts were at--not picking an apple off a tree rather being caring and supportive towards another of God's children with a lot of good old fashion laughter to go around.

The gift of laughter-- Praise God! 

God Is Good-All The Time! AMEN!
 
emeraldcoast said:
I hope that you all don’t mind this Episcopalian woman posting in this post …🙂

Hi JPUSC,

I believe that you are correct. Fig leaves were the first clothes(loincloths) made by Adam and Eve.

Here is the supporting scripture Genesis 3:6-11 (NRSV)

6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and
they knew that they were naked;and they sewed fig leaves together and made loincloths for themselves. 8 They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden at the time of the evening breeze, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, and said to him,“Where are you?”10 He said, “I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.” 11 He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?”
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Interesting to note, the Episcopal women that posed in God's house were not afraid like Adam and Eve to appear naked in front of Him. This is AWESOME, don't you agree! Adam and Eve felt guilt for what they had done, while these women knew that what they were doing was bringing awareness of an awful cancer that has touched many of their sisters in Christ! He knows where these sisters hearts were at--not picking an apple off a tree rather being caring and supportive towards another of God's children with a lot of good old fashion laughter to go around.

The gift of laughter-- Praise God! 

God Is Good-All The Time! AMEN!
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Being sincere does not make the acts morally acceptable. It just means the folks were sincere. Wrong, but sincere.
 
emeraldcoast said:
I hope that you all don’t mind this Episcopalian woman posting in this post …🙂

Hi JPUSC,

I believe that you are correct. Fig leaves were the first clothes(loincloths) made by Adam and Eve.

Here is the supporting scripture Genesis 3:6-11 (NRSV)

6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and
they knew that they were naked;and they sewed fig leaves together and made loincloths for themselves. 8 They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden at the time of the evening breeze, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, and said to him,“Where are you?”10 He said, “I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.” 11 He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?”
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Interesting to note, the Episcopal women that posed in God's house were not afraid like Adam and Eve to appear naked in front of Him.  This is AWESOME, don't you agree!  Adam and Eve felt guilt for what they had done, while these women knew that what they were doing was bringing awareness of an awful cancer that has touched many of their sisters in Christ!    He knows where these sisters hearts were at--not picking an apple off a tree rather being caring and supportive towards another of God's children with a lot of good old fashion laughter to go around.

The gift of laughter-- Praise God! 

God Is Good-All The Time! AMEN!
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It seems pretty clear that you do not understand the difference between shameful and shameless. Porn stars are not ashamed to have sex on film. It is absoltely HORRIBLE that the consciences of these woman, the pastor and all involved are so twisted and sickened that they would do despicable thing. The ends do not justify the means.
 
There was a movie made for a similar situation in the U K. It is called The Carelender Girls but they did not pose in a Church.

Antrim.
 
church >>> reverence

senior ladies’ nudity in church >>> mockery of the One who is to be revered in a house of worship and not funny at all
 
I was not making a mockery of anything. The reason I said that they did not pose in a church for the movie was I thought that some people who were not familar with the story might think that they did the same thing in the U K and I did not want them to think that.

Antrim
 
Certainly not the place for something like that.

In Carmel,

Br. Allen
 
watchoutbelow said:
We were all created in God’s image, so who are we to say that part of God is wrong? This would be heresy at the least and border line blasphemy. Being naked is totally natural as long as you are not ashamed. Likewise, looking at the nude; the same rules apply. If you feel either ashamed or lustful, or are observing nakedness in a sinful/immoral manner, it is wrong. Nudity, whether true or close to it, is disgraceful in public, let alone in CHURCH.

Genesis 3:9-12 shows that Adam and Eve felt ashamed of being naked, after they ate from the Tree of Life. Before the guilt of disobeying God, there was no shame, hence no problem being naked. Once they disobeyed Him, they no longer felt comfortable being naked with each other or God, and remained clothed from there on (notice they were not forced into being clothed, but felt that they should be). Adam and Eve were ashamed after THE FALL, because once they knew of good and evil, they knew this was WRONG! The fact that they disobeyed God had nothing to do with their shame, but rather, it was the knowlege that this was evil, that they didn’t have before the fall…

Genesis 9:20-27 shows that Ham informs his brethren of their father’s nakedness and that Shem and Japheth then cover Noah’s nakedness without looking at him. Two possibilities here being that Ham had looked upon Noah with lust and informed his brothers to clothe him without doing the same. The other being Ham simply informed his brothers to cover Noah and they would not look upon his nakedness in the state he was in. This state, would be that Noah (rather bright to say the least), had sinned openly. Noah was drunk, and Ham was afraid of rousing him. Again, nakedness being seen by others than a spouse is WRONG.

Now this was for a good cause, and maybe they could have taken another approach to raise money, but like Pro-Life_Teen had said, at their age and by the way they were posing (especially w/o showing any ‘private parts’), there is nothing wrong with this at all. Whether it should have been done inside the church is debatable, since regardless of what religion this is, it is still where people gather to pray and worship God as we do.
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There are many scriptures that say basically that one should not do evil to a good end. The money-changers in the Temple, for starters.
 
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