number of Denominations an Church Switching

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I agree with you. Much better that way.

But that brings up an interesting thought for me. I remember when I was going to Protestant Churches, I never had a problem with changing churches as long as I agreed with “most” of what they taught.

Do others feel as if they need to resolve all issues with the Catholic Church before attending also?

God Bless,
Maria
I have been praying about the Assembly of God for a long time. Even though the majority of what they believe is good I don’t feel like it’s the right choice. On the other hand, there are not that many choices here. So what to do isn’t tooo easy. I feel that resolving all or alest the vast majority of issues before moving any church is important. At any new church point sof disagreement are generally that the Church Authority there would say I’m wrong.IF I can’t accept that there would be problems.
Can you elaborate more on the issues that you think are stopping you from begin a Catholic? I would be interested to know them. Maybe starting a new thread on this subject would be a good ideea…

Regards,
Alex.
Well I already posted them in this thread (#98 and #102) but for some reason the OP and I had a communication problem that seems to have ended that part of the discussion.
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Saint_Michael:
He says there should be a married priesthood, change doctrine on purgatory, stop praying to Saints and remove all statues, make confession optional, people should be able to ask God directly for foregiveness. I said I’m sure there’s a Church out there that believes just that.
Sounds liked he’d be a very happy Episcapalian or Maybe Anglican. I don’t think being constantly angry that things need changing is good for spiritual growth. It is a point I’m at now. I have spent much effort trying to educate our leaders on why it’s important to teach our children doctrine. I have reccommended new curriculum, I’ve offered to teach it myself. I feel frustrated all the time now. So much it distracts me from focusing on God in worship. Church should not ever take our attention AWAY from God.
 
As to the number of Protestant denominations–to my mind even one is too many considering Christ prayed that we all be one and St. Paul taught there is one faith, one baptism, one body of Christ.
The deal wthi the denominations is that many people keep announcing there are 30,000 denominations but they are quoting a study completely out of context… The 30,000 are not protestant or even “denominations” exactly. The study they quote says there are over 2 thousand CATHOLIC denominations. I just got tired of all the wild exaggerations.
 
The deal wthi the denominations is that many people keep announcing there are 30,000 denominations but they are quoting a study completely out of context… The 30,000 are not protestant or even “denominations” exactly. The study they quote says there are over 2 thousand CATHOLIC denominations. I just got tired of all the wild exaggerations.
Syele,
Does it really matter if there are 30000, or 100, or 10 ?

Even if there would be only two denominations - it’s one too many - and it goes contrary to what Jesus wanted - for all to be one.

Alex.
 
When I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s all denominations in the southern US were very much interested in doctrine and all vociferously professed that theirs was the one, true correct interpretation of the Bible, and, correspondingly, the true doctrine.

It seemed to me that this liberal idea of theology among protestants didn’t start creeping in until the 80’s. Thus the new wave of “non-denominational” or "“inter-denominational” churches. This has resulted in a very real watering-down of doctrines and has allowed for any myriad of personal "doctrines’ to creep in and now no one can keep track of them.

It is not unfair to say there are even 100’s of thousands of denominations, because, under the new liberal view of theology any man is his own interpreter of the Bible and dogmatic convention.
 
Syele,
Does it really matter if there are 30000, or 100, or 10 ?

Even if there would be only two denominations - it’s one too many - and it goes contrary to what Jesus wanted - for all to be one.

Alex.
If you accept the study that there are over 8,000 Protestant denominations then you can’t get all up in arms if I go around pointing out the over 2,000 Catholic ones.
 
The 30,000 number came from a study a few years back that many have admitted as being an inflated number. It considered churches in the same denomination, but in different geographical areas, to be different denominations. Since there really is no good study on this, I generally say “thousands”…
2 would be 1 too many. 😉
 
2,942 to be exact. This, mind you, is based on the study Catholics have been quoting against Protestants for two decades.

Read this.
The Lord did not appoint apologists to be the leader of His Church on earth, he appointed Peter.

There is only One Church, to which those who are in communion with the Holy See are a part of.

Next strawman please. 😃
 
The Lord did not appoint apologists to be the leader of His Church on earth, he apponted Peter.

There is only One Church, to which those who are in communion with the Holy See are a part of.

Next strawman please. 😃
Ok. Strawmen are strawmen, no matter who puts them forward. Let’s see a focus on the issues that divide us and a moratorium on these boards about the “28,000” Protestant denominations.
 
The Lord did not appoint apologists to be the leader of His Church on earth, he appointed Peter.

There is only One Church, to which those who are in communion with the Holy See are a part of.

Next strawman please. 😃
So you are saying you can give any number you like and it will be correct?

I didn’t say apologists are the leader of your Church. I said apologists here are lying about some things and I’d appriciate it if they’d refrain from doing so.
 
If you really want to get down to the knitty gritty?

Calculate how many non-denominations there in the United States.

You have at least that many denominations.

A non-denomination is a denomination of one.

If you get 100,000 baptists and get them to interpret the entire bible verse by verse, you will 100,000 different interpretations. And each one will declare his interpretation is the TRUE INTERPRETATION.
 
So you are saying you can give any number you like and it will be correct?

I didn’t say apologists are the leader of your Church. I said apologists here are lying about some things and I’d appriciate it if they’d refrain from doing so.
I don’t appoint any set number at all. I wouldn’t surprised if the numbers were heavily inflated. However there is clearly more than one - which ALL Christians should seek to find the unity that Our Lord prayed for and instituted in His One Body.

My address was not towards the number of protestant denominations, my address was soley against the false claim that there are 2,942 (or whatever) Catholic “denominations”.
 
So you are saying you can give any number you like and it will be correct?
Actually, what we are saying is that the number is incaluable considering every man is his own pope these days. 😉
I didn’t say apologists are the leader of your Church. I said apologists here are lying about some things and I’d appriciate it if they’d refrain from doing so.
I think to say that apologists are “lying” is too strong. What they are doing is trying to put a number on the practically numberless little churches, sects, and denominations that have sprung up since the Reformation. There’s an old joke that goes: All you need to start a new church is two chairs and a coffee pot. But these days all you need is one person sitting at home reading his own Bible and living any way he pleases according to what he thinks he sees in it. And we are saying that that is hardly what Jesus meant when he declared that he would establish his Church. Yes?
 
…and what about all the Catholics who pick and choose the doctrines of the Church that they will follow or believe…cafeteria Catholics? The only real difference in their case from the case that “every protestant is his own pope” is that the cafeteria Catholic is not schismatic.
 
Too bad Cathoics have over 2,000.
2000 “Catholic” denominations ? How so ? Denominations implies that they teach very different doctrines.
I would be surprised if that’s the case… because that means they are not Catholic at all. Period.

We name Catholics whomsoever abides by the teachings of the Catholic Church, the Magisterium and the Pope…
Sure there are people who call themselves Catholics but do not behave as such…it’s sad, but it doesn’t change a bit what the Catholic Church is!

Alex.
 
2000 “Catholic” denominations ? How so ? Denominations implies that they teach very different doctrines.
I would be surprised if that’s the case… because that means they are not Catholic at all. Period.

We name Catholics whomsoever abides by the teachings of the Catholic Church, the Magisterium and the Pope…
Sure there are people who call themselves Catholics but do not behave as such…it’s sad, but it doesn’t change a bit what the Catholic Church is!

Alex.
DId you even read the link?
 
The deal wthi the denominations is that many people keep announcing there are 30,000 denominations but they are quoting a study completely out of context… The 30,000 are not protestant or even “denominations” exactly. The study they quote says there are over 2 thousand CATHOLIC denominations. I just got tired of all the wild exaggerations.
The whole idea of all those denominations really bothers you, doesnt it?! :yup: Well good! It should bother you. I have the exact source at home it was the Oxford something or other - I ll get it. I beleive the number was 33,000 in 2001. Im sure you’ll feel so much better it when you have the actual source. :rolleyes:
The reality of the various doctrines which resulted from the Reformation mantra of “Sola Scriptura” and the belief that the bible would somehow bring a unity of doctrine is clearly not happening. It has caused a multiplicity of doctrine. In response to this REALITY many Protestants, rather than recognizing the facts for what they are, have chosen not to deny that the differences are there, but to deny that they matter! Under the umbrella of inter-Protestant ecumenism these differences are often classified as “disputable matters” which have no significance on salvation. As nice as that seems, for those us with a discriminating palate for theology and reasonableness it is most distasteful. The “core” of the faith is stripped down to the two pillars Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura, but ultimately, when there is no ultimate criterion for what those two things actually they mean so many things that they mean nothing.
Now, for the numbers. Someone earlier posted about 12 doctrinal issues that had two possible stances one could reach from Scripture. For example: Baptism conveys Grace and is necessary vs Does not and is not necessary. If you want to know how many various denominations can form from those 12 issues, all you need to do is raise the number 2 to the exponential power of the number of doctrinal differences under consideration. In this case it would be 2 to the 12th power. Do you know how many denominations that can make? 4096. 15 issues brings the number possible to 32768. It simply is a question of how many issues someone, somewhere considers critical enough to establish a separate denomination. Protestant history has shown us that the whims of man have led to many thousands of divisions. You may not view them as “significant”, but your opinion - like mine - is irrelevant. In fact, the difference of opinion of whether they are significant or not is simply another variable to add to the list which potentially doubles the number of denominations. I think if you created a distribution analysis you would find that a large number of Protestants cluster around relatively few differences resulting in a normal Bell curve. But as someone else said, even if there were only 50 different Protestant denominations, that is still far too many.
Please know that I dont judge you in any way for your choices. I regret that Christianity is not more unified but I hope and pray that God will work for good all the things we view as differences for those of us who love him, regardless of affiliation.
 
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