Numbering mortal sins

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The Church teaches if you leave something out without intending to defraud the sacrament, but go with true repentance and sorrow for sins and desire to make amends, you do not have to reconfess. The other advice on here to go do it again is incorrect. May the Lord grant you peace.
This is not correct. Mortal sins must be confessed and in number and kind…if one forgets …although one is absolved if one was sorry etc …one still needs to bring the forgotten mortal sins to the next confession…(see Canon Law above etc…this is from the Church.)
 
Canon law…

Can. 988 §1. A member of the Christian faithful is obliged to confess in kind and number all grave sins committed after baptism and not yet remitted directly through the keys of the Church nor acknowledged in individual confession, of which the person has knowledge after diligent examination of conscience.

Every bit of the this canon is important…

here are a few notes:
  1. We are Obliged to confess in number and kind all grave sins (mortal sin…same thing)
  2. It is both number and kind.
  3. That were not directly remitted…that means directly confessed and absolved…when a mortal sin is forgotten (not hidden) it is “indirectly absolved” thus it still needs to be confessed “directly” in number and kind in the next confession (even though it was indirectly absolved)
  4. and again there is further emphasis that they need to be confessed in an individual confession…not only absolved in an emergency without confession…or indirectly…
So if someone unknowingly omits a mortal sin…or the number…no problem it was indirectly absolved…but they still have the obligation (within reason…our memories can not serve us…etc) to confess them…in number and kind…(again those with scruples talk with your confessors…for this can be a source of scruples…)
 
Bookcat, I think you made a duplicate post.
However, part of what you quote from the canon made me think:
obliged to confess in kind and number all grave sins committed after baptism and
not yet remitted directly through the keys of the Church
nor acknowledged in individual confession
If we take the plain meaning of the canon, the obligation would only apply to those grave sins which fall into both specified categories. In other words, the obligation would not apply to

  1. *]those sins not yet remitted through the keys of the Church, but which have been acknowledged in individual confession. It’s easy to imagine such sins which a confessor for whatever reason has refused to grant absolution for, but it makes no sense that further confession at the next opportunity would be unnecessary.
    *]those sins already remitted through the keys of the Church, but which were not previously acknowledged in individual confession. This is a plausible interpretation, except for the fact that it makes the second clause entirely irrelevant.

    I think it makes more sense to conclude that poor English grammar on the part of the Vatican reared its ugly head again, and that the two clauses are meant to expand each other, not further restrict the category of graves sins that must be confessed.

    Indeed, the New Commentary on the Code of Canon Law (2002) states
    Finally, the phrase “nor acknowledged in individual confession” has been added to the original language to emphasize, in accord with canons 962, sec1 and 963, that, despite the generic confession of sins before general sacramental absolution, the obligation of individually confessing grave sins remains – although they have already been remitted in the sacrament of penance in the rite of general absolution.
 
We were taught in our RICA class that we were no longer required to give the number. It wasn’t until months later that I learned that was not so. Sometimes I think the church teachers need a refresher course. :rolleyes:
 
Bookcat, I think you made a duplicate post.
However, part of what you quote from the canon made me think:If we take the plain meaning of the canon, the obligation would only apply to those grave sins which fall into both specified categories. In other words, the obligation would not apply to

  1. *]those sins not yet remitted through the keys of the Church, but which have been acknowledged in individual confession. It’s easy to imagine such sins which a confessor for whatever reason has refused to grant absolution for, but it makes no sense that further confession at the next opportunity would be unnecessary.
    *]those sins already remitted through the keys of the Church, but which were not previously acknowledged in individual confession. This is a plausible interpretation, except for the fact that it makes the second clause entirely irrelevant.

    I think it makes more sense to conclude that poor English grammar on the part of the Vatican reared its ugly head again, and that the two clauses are meant to expand each other, not further restrict the category of graves sins that must be confessed.

    Indeed, the New Commentary on the Code of Canon Law (2002) states

  1. Certainly what I noted in those posts is the case… the obligation would remain for any unconfessed mortal sins that were indirectly remitted…(though there can at times be exceptions…impossibility etc (those who are scrupulous talk with your confessor) the second line which seems redundant in the canon is not…I think for it is for emphasis I think…perhaps in light of the fact a person could be on his death bed and unable to confess…but is absolved and then recovers…he would need to confess them…and in particular those legit occasions for general absolution…hence perhaps the emphasis on individual confession…
 
'The penitent must give the number of his mortal sins so far as he can; if he knows exactly how often he has fallen into a mortal sin, he must state that number of times, neither increasing nor diminishing; if, despite careful examination and reflection he cannot arrive at the real number, he must give it as near as possible, adding the words “about” or “at least”; in so doing he fulfills his obligation, for he has done what he could, which is sufficient to enable a judgment to be pronounced humano modo. Should the penitent, after having thus confessed in all good faith, discover later on a more accurate number than that confessed, he is not obliged to make another confession to supply this number; nor should he disquiet himself, for the round numbers given in the first confession included everything; it is only when the newly discovered number is considerably greater than the vague estimate of his first confession that he is obliged to confess again, because the number, and, in consequence, the sin, was not perfectly confessed, since a far greater number cannot be considered as included in his former round estimate. . . If the penitent discovers that he has mentioned a number considerably less than the truth, he must remedy the defect; if he has erred by giving too large a number, he need not correct the mistake, because the larger number includes the less. Moreover, it is advisable, instead of using high numbers, to state how often the sin has been committed in the course of a week or a month, etc., especially with regard to frequent or interior sins. Indeed with habitual sinners it suffices to state how long they have indulged the evil habit, and that they have given willful consent more or less daily whenever occasion offered; this is enough, when the actual number of sins is so doubtful that there would always be a grave risk of a mistake in trying to determine it.

“The confessor, when he knows the period over which the accusation extends, may easily and safely form his opinion in the case of a penitent whose will is habitually inclined to sin, that the penitent has sinned as often as there were necessary interruptions to his sin.”

. . . A similar difficulty is presented in the case of those who have a deeply rooted habit of sin - - those, for example, who constantly entertain impure desires with regard to women whom they chance to meet; it is very difficult in such a case to give any number. Such people make a perfect confession by stating that they are given to this habit, adding whether they indulge frequently in the day or week; besides this they should mention at least the more general specific characters, whether they indulge these desires with regard to married people or relations or persons consecrated to God.

. . . The circumstances under which sins are committed {conditiones quce actus substantiam circumstant atque in ejus moralitatem influunt) are of different kinds:
  1. Some change the species of the sin (speciem mutantes); for example, the circumstance of a vow or of marriage adds to the sin of impurity that of sacrilege or that of adultery.
  2. Other circumstances are aggravating (aggravantes) in greater or less degree and gradum moralitatis mutantes or moralitatem augentes such, for instance, as increase the malice within the limits of the same species; they are the duration of the act, its intensity, its degree, the manner of carrying it out, the particular occasion, etc.
  3. Other circumstances are mitigating {minuentes, moralitatem minuentes), because they palliate the malice of the act; as, for example, want of advertence, etc.
The circumstances must be confessed:

I. If they change the species of the sin. This is the express teaching of the Council of Trent. Hence it is not enough to confess to stealing if the property of the Church has been taken; for the stealing of a res sacra is not merely a sin of injustice but a theft from God and so a new sin. If a child curses its parents, it is not enough to mention that it cursed, for, since special reverence is due to parents, the violation of that special reverence is a new sin.

The following circumstances call for particular mention:
  1. The circumstance of the person who commits the sin, when with regard to the matter of the sin he is consecrated to God or bound by vow, as in sins against purity, or when he sins against chastity of the married state, or when he stands in special spiritual relations towards those with whom he sins.
  2. The circumstance of the person with whom the sin has been committed, if God’s honor has suffered in any way, or if the rights of a third person or the particular respect or love which is due to the said person have been violated.
If the person with whom sin has been committed or who has been led into sin is consecrated to God or bound by a vow referring to the matter of the sin, a new and special sin is incurred against tlje virtue of religion {i.e. a sin either of sacrilege or at least of a violation of the vow).

… etc.’
There are many more details about how species of sins can change in the book above, and I think, considering the state of the Church today, one is especially obliged if one has the capacity to, to know oneself these things thoroughly especially since one’s Confessor may not be trained sufficiently in regards to Confession.

It seems to me while knowing these things takes a little reading, the natural law of one’s conscience already understands it.

I’ll add if I recall correctly, one may not habitually overestimate one’s sins, this is not allowed, though many innocently have made mistake in this. One must confess straightforwards and simply as best one can genuinely recall after careful reflection (i.e. a proper examination of conscience).
 
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