Nuns With Their Own Church...?

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I’ve heard this phrase before, but what does it mean? Not ‘In communion with the church’?
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It likely means that their religious order or their activities are not approved by the Church. With respect to “activities”, I’m sure the Church is NOT disapproving of their helping the veterans in need. It’s more likely that they, or the head of whatever church they attend, got into a conflict with Church authority over a directive handed down by a superior, or over a teaching of the Church, and ended up defying Church authority or publicly rejecting the teaching, and therefore were declared not in communion with the Church.

Some of these groups reject specific teachings of Vatican II, some of them think Vatican II didn’t go far enough and are promoting women clergy or married priests or whatever.

While the priest doesn’t want to be uncharitable and say anything bad about fringe groups, because he doesn’t want to add fuel to the fire and is probably hoping these people will eventually come back to the Church, it’s usually not a good idea to get too involved with them. When the superiors or the Bishop announce that some group is not in communion with the Church, there is a good reason why. In the worst cases, some of these groups are led by priests who have been excommunicated or laicized. There is a priest who helped found the Lifeteen movement who was later credibly accused of sexual abuse of minors and was laicized and excommunicated but he is still running his own church which people apparently attend.
 
They definitely have a very traditional priest with them.

Look, there is nothing wrong with being very traditional (Catholicism is a traditional religion) but at the same time, someone who is very traditional (which is good) can still have other problems,. So, if you are happy where you are, stay.

If you are interested in a more traditional parish, there are probably other alternatives, since these guys seem a little off to you anyway.
 
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There is a lot of conjecture on this thread. At this point we don’t know who these women wearing religious outfits are. We don’t know if they are sisters or nuns, if they are Catholic or another denomination.
All we know is what your Priest has stated , and these two women have stated,
They are not in communion with the Catholic Church.
This means these women and their Church are not following and practicing what is required to be in communion with the Catholic Church.
Do you know the name of this order?

The habits of the various religious orders are quite varied. Those in my order wear long dark colours. Some Sisters of religious orders wear below the knee, others do not wear habits. It all depends on the order.

We cannot say they belong to a Protestant or Sedevacantist group.
 
Oh, well, I’m not even Catholic, or attending a particular parish, at this time! ❤️ But I’m fascinated by all things Catholic and very interested in joining, though I’m struggling a lot with working up the courage, etc. 🙂
 
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CheerfulTabby22 said:
But I’m fascinated by all things Catholic and very interested in joining, though I’m struggling a lot with working up the courage, etc. 🙂
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why don’t you sign up for an RCIA course. There is no requirement that you must become Catholic at the end of the course but you will gain an understanding of the Catholic faith.
 
Check this out. It’s a goldmine of information on traditional Catholicism:

en.wikipedia.org

Traditionalist Catholicism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Scroll to the bottom of the page and click on “show” where you see the yellow stripe with the heading “Traditional Catholicism”. Stick with the groups in full communion with the Holy See.
 
I did a quick online search…there is a pdf file under “United States Court of Appeals” 😮

“…are traditional Catholic Nuns
and part of the Order of the Missionaries of the Sacred Heart. As such, the Sisters wear habits and crosses and hold some beliefs that are distinct from the Roman Catholic Church.”
(-Copied and pasted from the legal document.)

I feel kinda bad for them…if I’m reading this right, it looks like the sisters were…discriminated against while working for the Red Cross?

Also - I’m sorry! I thought that “Sisters” and “Nuns” meant the same, could be used indiscriminately to mean the same thing- I’m still learning! 😖 (Apologies)
 
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Do you know if they are the women in question that you saw. There are a more than a few groups like this.
 
It’s them! The town where they live is mentioned (Small town close to my own), and the names they go by- (The names they take when they enter the order, I mean) I wanna protect their identity, so I’m kinda iffy about mentioning a whole lot.

There’s a lot of legal jargon and stuff, in this document, but it seeeems like maybe they did not get compensation they were promised by the Red Cross.

Anywhoo, it’s definitely them! Whether they’re in communion with the church or not, it makes me kinda sad that they were discriminated against for Religious beliefs by a corporation…
 
Thank you, I’ll check this out! 🙂 Um, in any case, I definitely feel like I’ve learned a lot today, thanks to everyone here!
 
A corporation and its issues of compensation etc is a totally separate issue to that of being in communion or not with the Catholic Church.
These are two very separate issues.
 
Oh, I agree with ya! Just mentioned it as an aside. 😅
 
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There are also very valid Orders of the Order of the Missionaries of the Sacred Heart in many countries. So thats another point not to be tripped up over.
 
Thank you!!! ☺️ I’ll be sure to read up on this! Very interesting stuff!
 
The Sixth Circuit dismissed their suit because they weren’t legally employees, so whatever happened to them couldn’t be employment discrimination.


As someone who saw a goodly share of employment discrimination appeals, I take a very skeptical view of them generally, so I wouldn’t rush to believe everybody who says they were discriminated against. Often people are let go simply because they are not good employees and they refuse to recognize that fact.
 
Ah! Thank you for clarifying!

I tend to be a little naiive I think- my first reaction was, “Noooo, how could they do that?!!” (>__<)

-Although the pdf file I found did say something about them coming across discriminatory emails, relating to them, as well? (I thought, but I honestly just skimmed over the document)

Side Note: Now that would be interesting! (To witness a lot of employment discrimination appeals, I mean) Sounds like you’ve seen some intriguing stuff!
 
No, they’re pretty boring. The exception was a case involving a postmistress who was fired after setting her own post office on fire and tried to sue the government over her dismissal. My boss tried to get to the bottom of why she did this, even asking at oral argument (his theory was she wanted a new computer so she set her old one ablaze and it spread), but it remained a mystery.
 
CheerfulTabby22 said:
Oh, well, I’m not even Catholic, or attending a particular parish, at this time! ❤️ But I’m fascinated by all things Catholic and very interested in joining, though I’m struggling a lot with working up the courage, etc. 🙂
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This website is very fascinating, and I have learned a lot here. However, this website does not always give me peace. It gives me knowledge and understanding that can lead to peace. It teaches you not to get sucked in by “Sedevacantists”. This is good. Other times some posts have upset me deeply. Attending mass always gives me peace.

As for working up the courage…I’ll share a story that is not meant to discourage you. I’ve heard many many wonderful homilies. However, a few weeks ago I heard the most awful homily I’ve ever heard. The priest shared a story about an employee’s mistake regarding Catholic discipline and basically laughed about it for 8 minutes and spent 2 minutes in a half baked attempt to tie it into scripture. I thought to myself…Oh no! What if this is the first time some new person comes to church, and they hear this?

Why on earth would this homily still give me peace?..Because I went home and googled info about the many other Catholic churches I could attend in my hometown. I realized how many great options I had. Last Sunday I went to a different Catholic church in town, and heard a wonderful homily by a Deacon…it gave a totally different and funny perspective. Deacons literally never give homilies at the parish I regularly attend. My point is “so what” if you don’t like the first Catholic Church you start attending. There are many Catholic churches around that you can attend.
 
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