Nuts & Bolts techniques to minimize irreverent pre-Mass chit chat

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Rosaries before Mass can help cut down on the noise. I think that there should be a rosary said aloud before every Mass anyway- it is hard for some to pray the rosary alone, but it isn’t so hard if they are in a group. If people want some quiet time for meditation, they should come even earlier. If chatter before Mass is a problem, tell the priest. If he isn’t the type who cares about reverence, think of a way to relate to him to get him to listen to you. (of course this is difficult if he is part of the problem,)
 
Yes, silence please!

My mother never had a glare but she had a very effective (and invisible to onlookers) little pinch on the arm that betokened further punishment after Mass in the event of continued misbehaviour. If I have children of my own I may adopt it.
Lily, I use the pinch. It usually works except for one of my kids who once said loudly, “hey, mom, why are you pinching me!”

This was right at consecration. :mad: :o
 
Our Church is huge - we have over 5,000 registered FAMILIES. It is a National Shrine, and we have a zillion masses over the two day weekend. I think the ONLY time I’ve ever experienced holy silence before mass is during the very early morning daily masses. Otherwise it’s a huge social fest. The Church has three schools associated with it, elementary, the accadamy (middle school), and high school. So everyone is there talking about family stuff, kids are running all over the place loose and loud, and it’s so beyond distracting.

I doubt very seriously that if anyone started a rosary that the noisy ones would even notice at all. They would just talk louder so they could hear themselves.

DH and I always try to show up about a half hour before mass so we can pray silently and just prepare our hearts for the mass. I usually pray kneeling. I can’t recall a single time that I have been able to pray without distraction of people having full blown coversations or kids running around. You would THINK that someone would see a person on their knees and just guess that MAYBE they would prefer not being disturbed.

Yep - we are seriously considering changing parishes, for this an other reasons.

Sorry for the vent - but I just hate it that in all the places on the planet, you can’t get respectful silence in CHURCH!!! :mad:

~Liza
 
How about this:

Turn around and say to those talking “Excuse me, my praying isn’t interfering with your conversation is it?”
 
Personally, I’d prefer *genuine *silence before mass.
Actually, I prefer silence too. My suggestions merely reflect the reality that many parishes (around me at least) are circus shows before Mass even begins. The suggestions are meant to counter that, but yes, silence is the ideal.
 
It seems irreverent to play recorded music in the Church. Music and song are forms of prayer. To automate them changes them from prayer directed from a living mind to the Holy Trinity, and reduces them to an “environmental ornament” directed to the people in the Church, as though the point were to create a mood rather than to encounter God. This literally seems misdirected.
The music I typically hear before Mass is the piano tinkling in the background, like at a jazz bar. Given a choice, I’d rather have the official music of the Church – Gregorian chant – instead of a piano.
It is my understanding that the use of recorded music is not allowed during Mass – except for instructional purposes in Masses for Children. It seems that the same reasoning that makes recorded music inappropriate during Mass make it inappropriate at all times in the nave and the sanctuary.

Pax Christi nobiscum.

John Hiner
It’s my understanding from a Catholic Answers radio show that recorded music is acceptable if it is the only option.
 
It’s my understanding from a Catholic Answers radio show that recorded music is acceptable if it is the only option.
Here is a quote from the document to which I provided a link above:

Simultaneously, a correspondent from Wisconsin reminded me of the 1958 instruction “De Musica Sacra” issued by the Congregation of Rites, which states: “Finally, only those musical instruments which are played by the personal action of the artist may be admitted to the sacred liturgy, and not those which are operated automatically or mechanically.”

This document followed Pope Pius XII’s 1955 encyclical, “Musicae Sacrae,” in which he insisted that liturgical music be “true art,” if it is to be a genuine act of worship and praise of God.

Although these documents precede the Second Vatican Council, there is practically nothing in the conciliar or post-conciliar documents which would contradict the principles enunciated or invalidate their general normative value.

Indeed the council’s insistence that choir and musicians form part of the liturgical assembly would even strengthen the presumption against the use of mechanical music.

There may be exceptions, as we saw in the case of children’s Masses, but any general permission to use recorded or automatically produced music would require the express approval of the corresponding bishop or episcopal conference.

According to the above documents it is preferable to sing without musical accompaniment than resort to artificial means.

It is hard to see how recorded music can be the “only option” when silence and *a capella *(in the manner of a chapel choir) or spoken recitation is always available.

Spiritus Sapientiae nobiscum.

John Hiner
 
Actually, I prefer silence too. My suggestions merely reflect the reality that many parishes (around me at least) are circus shows before Mass even begins. The suggestions are meant to counter that, but yes, silence is the ideal.
I wonder. Do you suppose older church architecture is more conducive to silence? I mean, have you ever walked into a cavernous old building that sort of caused you to pause and become quiet? I’m not sure if it causes that because it amplifies every noise so you are more aware of it, so you become silent in response to being louder than you expect, or if it is because the high ceiling sucks the sound away, so your hearing notices something, and you fall quiet to better hear it.

I remember walking into a *truly *soundproofed room once (in a laboratory). I shut up instantly.
 
I think the older churches are designed for quiet prayful time. I find the newer auditorium style churches are loud. My little church in St. Bernard LA was always very quiet - we had the Rosary said before Mass but it ended about 10 minutes before and that is when the majority of the people arrived so they had their quiet time. We also knelt after the priest had left following the service for a few minutes of quiet prayer - I’m looking for that in AR - when Mass is over here it sounds like the end of a sports event. I attended a church Sunday that had great organ music but I am sure I stood out like a sore thumb following the Eucharist - I always kneel - everyone was standing and than sat down - there was no kneeling at all – I will go again and again I will be kneeling while they stand. If my LA church opens again it will be merged with another that won’t be opened because it is outside the levee system and they had the auditorium style and were always loud - hopefully it won’t take them long to pick up our quiet prayful habits.
 
Lily, I use the pinch. It usually works except for one of my kids who once said loudly, “hey, mom, why are you pinching me!”

This was right at consecration. :mad: :o
I have completely lost my shyness (I used to be this very polite quiet little person, but no more - I’ve taken too much sass, and I’ve got no more room in me for any more) so I would have said, just as loudly, “BECAUSE YOU’RE MISBEHAVING IN CHURCH.”

Long ago I realized that nobody remembers or cares about this sort of thing for more than a week or so, and some people will get more entertainment out of that than they got from TV all week, so it’s all good. 😃
 
I like the “hunt them down” idea.
It gets beter, look at our Lord’s next command: if they don’t listen, hunt them down with a posse!

:bible1: Matthew 18:15-16 Jesus said…
If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses.

Edit: Yee-haw!
 
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