:O Pontifical Catholic University of Peru STRIPPED of its titles

[YoungTradCath]

Rorate Caeli translates:

Decree

1. It is forbidden to the aforementioned University the use of the title of “Pontifical” in its name, suppressing the concession that had been previously granted to it.

1. It is forbidden likewise that the aforementioned University use in its name the title of “Catholic”, with the removal of the consent that had been previously granted to is in such sense, in the sense of the current can. 808, of the Code of Canon Law.

1. It is declared at the same time that the aforementioned University, as a public juridical person of the Church, remains subjected to the canonical legislation in the matters to which it is currently bound, even if, for the aforementioned reasons, it has been deprived of the right to use in its name the titles of “Pontifical” and “Catholic”, and that the Holy See will continue to insist in the full respect of the canonical discipline.

Notice is to be given of the present Decree to the Congregation for Catholic Education for its effective fulfillment.

Given in Vatican City, July 11, 2012

Tarcisio Card Bertone

<i>Universidad Ni-Ni: ni Pontificia ni Católica</i><br>The non-Pontifical non-Catholic University of Peru<br>Updated: full text of the decree

Peruvian daily El Comercio publishes this Saturday the Decree of the Secretary of State, under the mandate received from His Holiness Pop...

rorate-caeli.blogspot.com

PDF of the Decree in Spanish: elcomercio.e3.pe/66/doc/0/0/4/9/3/493813.pdf

 

[jwinch2]

Two other articles on the topic.

vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/homepage/the-vatican/detail/articolo/peru-peru-varticano-vatican-16957/

vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/homepage/the-vatican/detail/articolo/peru-peru-universita-cattolica-pucp-16946/

I cannot help but wonder if we will see more of this in the not too distant future. There are many institutions of higher learning just here in the USA alone that long ago stopped being Catholic in any meaningful sense of the word.

While I am sad to see the situation in Peru, I am hopeful that this will serve as a warning shot for some “Catholic” colleges and universities in other countries to get themselves in line with Ex Corde Ecclesiae or face a similar situation.

Peace,

 

[Holly3278]

Vatican City, Jul 21, 2012 / 08:07 am (CNA/EWTN News).- The Vatican has announced it is stripping the Pontifical Catholic University of Peru of its Catholic identity after the elite university repeatedly refused to comply with the Church’s requirements for colleges.

catholicnewsagency.com/news/elite-peruvian-university-stripped-of-catholic-credentials/

I am glad that the Vatican has done this. It shows that they mean business. That said, if this is in the wrong forum, I do apologize.

 

[jwinch2]

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=695906



I was getting ready to start a similar thread until I saw that he beat me to it!

Peace,

 

[_Abyssinia]

Sad that this had to happen but it is a good thing that it can not carry the Catholic identity if they are not following Catholic teaching. Vatican should look at American universities

 

[Dale_M]

Vatican should look at American universities

Since the school in Peru was canonically erected as a pontifical university, the Vatican had a direct relationship to it and special interest in its identity. Are there any schools in the US which have a similar relationship to the Holy See?

I ask because I am thinking (and may be wrong) that disciplining any given university would belong to the local bishop, and not the Vatican.

 

[jwinch2]

Thanks Mods for combining the threads!

Peace,

 

[E_7]

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The Vatican had no other choice after years of disobedience from an institution which no longer seems to answer to the Holy See.

This situation is the result of a 40 year old feud. Many years have passed since the former rector and Jesuit priest Felipe Max Gregor guaranteed, in 1968, that the university would never stop being Catholic. The following decades were decisive in turning it into the exact opposite: an institution that is independent from the Church and whose teachings go against the Magisterium of the Catholic Church for the sake of the university’s freedom.

](http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/e...lo/peru-peru-universita-cattolica-pucp-16946/)

Fair enough.

 

[RPRPsych]

Good for them. This is a very valuable precedent

Now if they would only take similar actions in my country, where more than one “Institution of Catholic Higher Learning” overflows with questionable practices, including:

• inviting “gay rights” and transgender activists to teach students
• tacit support of artifical birth control
• encouragement of New Age spirituality, including rubbish like “The Celestine Prophecy” and “The Secret”
• distributing the Holy Eucharist freely to Protestants, Pentecostals, etc. on the pretext that “they are as devout as we are”

Either follow the Church’s teaching, or stop using the Catholic label. It’s as simple as that.

 

[YoungTradCath]

Since the school in Peru was canonically erected as a pontifical university, the Vatican had a direct relationship to it and special interest in its identity. Are there any schools in the US which have a similar relationship to the Holy See?

I ask because I am thinking (and may be wrong) that disciplining any given university would belong to the local bishop, and not the Vatican.

I don’t know if there are (perhaps Catholic University of America is), but if a bishop obstinately refuses to take action, then the next step is for the Holy See to get involved. Not naming any institution in particular in the US since I don’t really have much knowledge of this, but I do hear we have our fair share of nutty Catholic institutions…

 

[SouthCatholic]

Since the school in Peru was canonically erected as a pontifical university, the Vatican had a direct relationship to it and special interest in its identity. Are there any schools in the US which have a similar relationship to the Holy See?

I ask because I am thinking (and may be wrong) that disciplining any given university would belong to the local bishop, and not the Vatican.

I believe Catholic University in Washington, DC is the only one in the states with this status.

 

[The_Scott]

Since the school in Peru was canonically erected as a pontifical university, the Vatican had a direct relationship to it and special interest in its identity. Are there any schools in the US which have a similar relationship to the Holy See?

I ask because I am thinking (and may be wrong) that disciplining any given university would belong to the local bishop, and not the Vatican.

I know the Catholic University of America is a Pontifical University, but I’m not 100% sure about others. Wikipedia lists Mundelein Seminary at the University of St. Mary of the Lake (Mundelein, Illinois) and Pontifical College Josephinum (Columbus, Ohio).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifical_university#United_States

 

[JReducation]

I know the Catholic University of America is a Pontifical University, but I’m not 100% sure about others. Wikipedia lists Mundelein Seminary at the University of St. Mary of the Lake (Mundelein, Illinois) and Pontifical College Josephinum (Columbus, Ohio).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifical_university#United_States

Wikipedia is correct. These are the only three Pontifical schools in the USA.

All other Catholic colleges, universities, institutes, primary and secondary schools fall into one of the following categories.

Diocesan - the local diocese owns the institution, even if it does not administer it.

Private - There are two forms of private Catholic schools

Religious - These are owned by religious. They administer them or hire the administration, but they retain control - ie. All of the Franciscan and Dominican colleges in the USA.

Lay - These are owned by lay corporations. Most of them were founded by religious, but were eventually turned over to lay corporations for various reasons. In many cases, the religious still work there and they may even own the property, but they no longer own the school. Therefore, they have no authority in the school. They are committees like other employees and can vote. They can also get fired by the school. ie. Notre Dame University, St. Leo University, parts of Georgetown University (I believe the hospital and medical school are lay).

The local bishop can take away the Catholic title from any institution in his diocese, except a pontifical institution. That can only be done by the Holy See, as is the case in Peru. The Church continues to own the school. That’s why it says that the school is still bound by canon law. In essence, the Church owns a secular school until the school recovers.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV

 

[_Abyssinia]

Pro-abortion university defiant in face of Vatican ruling stripping it of ‘Catholic’ name

The Vatican in a ruling on July 21 stripped the ultraliberal Pontifical Catholic University of Peru (PCUP) of its status as “Catholic” and “Pontifical” because it has rejected Vatican oversight in accordance with Church law. A Peruvian pro-life leader charges that the university has been home to many abortion supporters.

However, the university administration is claiming that it has a right to the name, and says it has no plans to change it.

“The PCUP has the name ‘Pontifical Catholic University of Peru’ registered. This is our official name and by it we are recognized nationally and internationally. We have the complete right to continue using it as long as we consider it convenient,” said university president Marcial Rubio in an interview following the Holy See’s declaration.

The PCUP was founded in 1917 and given canonical status in 1942. Since 1967 the university “has on various occasions unilaterally modified its Statutes, seriously prejudicing the interests of the Church,” the Vatican says.

The university is known for having professors who whose teachings are contrary to Catholicism, and for disregarding Cardinal Cipriani Archbishop of Lima, who is Great Chancellor of the University. Carlos Polo, a Peruvian Catholic who heads the Latin America office of the Population Research Institute, and who received his degree in Social Anthropology from the PUCP in 1987, writes that the university has been home to many supporters of abortion and has financially supported many pro-abortion groups.

“Many of the principal promoters of abortion and gender ideology [in Peru] work at the PUCP or in the institutes that depend on it. Many of the Non-Governmental Organizations with an anti-life ideology receive financial assistance from the PUCP or receive their academic support from the same. There is no abortionist platform in Peru that lacks a relationship with the PUCP,” Polo wrote in a statement published by the Population Research Institute.

lifesitenews.com/news/pro-abortion-university-defiant-in-face-of-vatican-ruling-stripping-it-of-c

 

[DhuAlQarnayn]

I would caution people against being so quick to cheer the Magisterium for taking this action. The feud between the Vatican and the PUCP in reality has virtually nothing to do with theology or moral issues; these have been raised purely as a smokescreen. The real issue is the PUCP is one of the wealthiest institutions in Peru with large and valuable real estate holdings, some of which the Archbishop of Lima decided he wanted to sell off. The university held that doing this without the rector’s consent was illegal, and the Peruvian courts agreed. The Vatican issued an ultimatum that the university agree to the Archbishop’s demands or be stripped of it’s pontifical title; the university refused.

Having lived in Peru for much of the past decade, I can say with no hesitation that this move will greatly damage the reputation of the church there. Archbishop Cipriani was already intensely unpopular and disliked, and the PUCP is unquestionably Peru’s best university and among the few institutions in the country that is well respected by all sectors of society.

 

[JaMc]

Pro-abortion university defiant in face of Vatican ruling stripping it of ‘Catholic’ name

lifesitenews.com/news/pro-abortion-university-defiant-in-face-of-vatican-ruling-stripping-it-of-c

Even though the name may be “registered,” I would say its continued use is fraudulent and misleading, since the university is now neither “Pontifical” nor “Catholic.”

 

[berwick07]

You write: “I would caution people against being so quick to cheer the Magisterium for taking this action. The feud between the Vatican and the PUCP in reality has virtually nothing to do with theology or moral issues; these have been raised purely as a smokescreen.”

Certainly, the Archbishop is a controversial figure within the church in Peru. However, the positions of the university in non-doctrinal moral matters and it’s seeming attempts to institutionalize those anti-catholic teaching positions by employing and tenuring staff that outrageously teach, support and promote them are clearly outside the scope of what is known as a Pontifical, Catholic university. You may call that a smoke screen, and the archbishop may want to sell property, but your smokescreen is one that smells of sulfer and brimstone. Your insinuation that Rome has taken action only because the Archbishop is blocked from selling land is poorly presented and does not excuse the university from being in such a vulnerable position with respect to its fall from the Church. To present itself as Pontifical and Catholic in name is disingenuous and misleading. The title it recieved was based on it’s stature with the church, not because it established the name in the secular world.

 

[JReducation]

I would caution people against being so quick to cheer the Magisterium for taking this action. The feud between the Vatican and the PUCP in reality has virtually nothing to do with theology or moral issues; these have been raised purely as a smokescreen. The real issue is the PUCP is one of the wealthiest institutions in Peru with large and valuable real estate holdings, some of which the Archbishop of Lima decided he wanted to sell off. The university held that doing this without the rector’s consent was illegal, and the Peruvian courts agreed. The Vatican issued an ultimatum that the university agree to the Archbishop’s demands or be stripped of it’s pontifical title; the university refused.

Having lived in Peru for much of the past decade, I can say with no hesitation that this move will greatly damage the reputation of the church there. Archbishop Cipriani was already intensely unpopular and disliked, and the PUCP is unquestionably Peru’s best university and among the few institutions in the country that is well respected by all sectors of society.

The Holy See owns every pontifical university in the world. It has the right to sell any part of them. The civil laws have no authority in the matter. Canon Law is very clear that Church authority overrules any civil law in any matter concerning Church property.

Even if the issue were not related to theology and morals, they have raised it to a matter of morals by disobedience to Canon Law. It’s about time that Catholics stop pandering and protecting the rights of the state over the rights of the Church, especially in matters of property and finances. We do the same silly thing in the USA. Just look at what Catholics in Stubenville, OH allowed.

The truth is that the Pontifical University is the property of the Holy See and the Archbishop is the Chancellor. The Chancellor speaks for the Holy See, not the Peruvian congress.

Also, the fact that the university offers an excellent academic education does not mean that it’s compliant with the Vatican. Compliance comes first, academic excellence is second.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV