OB/GYNs and birth control?

[PumpkinSeed]

Certainly some methods of contraception do so. However, not all do. You have made a blanket statement that cannot be substantiated.

Again, reading it on CAF is not the same as the Church actually teaching it.

In certain cases, this may be true but it is not true in all cases.

Right but I’m assuming the OP is talking about the female birth control pill which can cause miscarriage.

 

[jilly4ski]

My mother has a friend that works in a practice like that, and I find it very interesting. My only reservation towards working in a setting like that is the fact that so many women need healthcare, and I would never want to work in a practice that would make someone feel uncomfortable going there for fear that they will be judged or not receive the proper care they deserve.

Contraception is not healthcare. Healthcare is the treating or preventing of a disease, contraception deliberately makes the reproductive systems malfunction. Women have a wide variety of places to go to seek legitimate healthcare and to receive non healthcare like abortion and contraceptive devices.

Women who follow their faith also need places where they will not be judged, for having a large family, practicing NFP, not using contraceptive devises, etc. I can tell you, that we do not receive this non-judgmental care in regular secular practices, and can often feel uncomfortable going to the OB/GYN who will ask us for the 10th time what birth control we use, though it says right on the chart that we do not want to be asked again. Or in my own experience of the Certified Nurse Midwife who used misinformation and scare tactics to claime that NFP does not work while nursing (I wanted to go back and rub her nose in my charts when I accurately predicted the return of my cycle, including my fertile phase before my period).

 

[maryjk]

I struggle with the issue of birth control. I believe that the only reason for coitus is procreation, however, I do not believe that I should force that belief on my patients. Birth control can be used to treat other medical conditions, not just to prevent a pregnancy.

That is an interesting belief, not even the Church goes this far.

 

[PumpkinSeed]

That is an interesting belief, not even the Church goes this far.

Yes you are correct. Sex is for procreation and a bond between a married couple to enjoy together. As long as the couple does not use birth control, and they are married, they are allowed to do that as much as they please.

 

[smiddle]

No I am not confused.

The medical community’s verbal acrobatics in an attempt to redefine preganancy so these drugs do not qualify as aborting is not recognized by the Church. What Webster says is irrelevant. What the Church says is relevant.

No, you really are confused. That is from the Mayo Clinic, not Webster. If you do not even know what Mayo is, I can only assume that you have no medical training or background. Once the egg is fertilized, then it is a pregnancy. It would be considered an abortion to terminate that. You cannot discredit something just because the Church says so and makes up your mind for you. Remember when the Church tried to silence those who said that the the Earth revolved around the sun?

 

[PumpkinSeed]

No, you really are confused. That is from the Mayo Clinic, not Webster. If you do not even know what Mayo is, I can only assume that you have no medical training or background. Once the egg is fertilized, then it is a pregnancy. It would be considered an abortion to terminate that. You cannot discredit something just because the Church says so and makes up your mind for you. Remember when the Church tried to silence those who said that the the Earth revolved around the sun?

If you are asserting that the church is wrong, you would have to take that up with the Church. However you are not to interpret yourself, so if you truly are Catholic, your opinion does not matter. You have to accept what church teaches as truth.

 

[jilly4ski]

No, you really are confused. That is from the Mayo Clinic, not Webster. If you do not even know what Mayo is, I can only assume that you have no medical training or background. Once the egg is fertilized, then it is a pregnancy. It would be considered an abortion to terminate that. You cannot discredit something just because the Church says so and makes up your mind for you. Remember when the Church tried to silence those who said that the the Earth revolved around the sun?

And the medical community cannot use definitions to deny that before implantation a new life has already been created and contraceptive devises like the Pill and IUDs work in a manner that prohibit an embryo from attaching to the uterine lining to continue its life cycle. Thus killing it, thus our term-abortion.

 

[LittleFlower378]

Yes you are correct. Sex is for procreation and a bond between a married couple to enjoy together. As long as the couple does not use birth control, and they are married, they are allowed to do that as much as they please.

Right, even John Paul II in the book I mentioned above states:
“There is no need to demand that procreation be the immediate intention of intercourse. This may be just a disguise for utilitarianism. Marriage exists for love not just ofr reproduction, and intercourse exists also to foster love. Intercourse should be directed to the other person, not to the possible outcome of the act. Just realizing that parenthood might result, sufficiently justifies sexual relations. INtercourse should be a unification of persons not just a means to parenthood. A couple who have been childless might focus on procreation. this is not a perversion, but a heightened awareness that love and parenthood go together.”

I have had trouble understanding this as well. We must always leave God open to procreate but it is not a procreation only attitude.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

No, you really are confused. That is from the Mayo Clinic, not Webster. If you do not even know what Mayo is, I can only assume that you have no medical training or background. Once the egg is fertilized, then it is a pregnancy. It would be considered an abortion to terminate that. You cannot discredit something just because the Church says so and makes up your mind for you. Remember when the Church tried to silence those who said that the the Earth revolved around the sun?

Yes, so IUD’s and some Pills would terminate the life of the fertilized egg (aka embryo) so they would be abortifacient.

 

[smiddle]

Contraception is not healthcare. Healthcare is the treating or preventing of a disease, contraception deliberately makes the reproductive systems malfunction. Women have a wide variety of places to go to seek legitimate healthcare and to receive non healthcare like abortion and contraceptive devices.

Women who follow their faith also need places where they will not be judged, for having a large family, practicing NFP, not using contraceptive devises, etc. I can tell you, that we do not receive this non-judgmental care in regular secular practices, and can often feel uncomfortable going to the OB/GYN who will ask us for the 10th time what birth control we use, though it says right on the chart that we do not want to be asked again. Or in my own experience of the Certified Nurse Midwife who used misinformation and scare tactics to claime that NFP does not work while nursing (I wanted to go back and rub her nose in my charts when I accurately predicted the return of my cycle, including my fertile phase before my period).

I understand what you are saying, but there are also other medical procedures that they will not perform. For example, about six months ago an OB/GYN happened to mess up a routine hysterectomy and then another physician had to take over. If I am the only other physician capable, but I refuse to perform a hysterectomy, then I would be contributing to the death of the woman for allowing her to bleed to death on the table.

Congratulations on the success of your NFP, though. I know it can be challenging for a lot of people, but it really is a great thing when it works.

 

[smiddle]

Right, even John Paul II in the book I mentioned above states:
“There is no need to demand that procreation be the immediate intention of intercourse. This may be just a disguise for utilitarianism. Marriage exists for love not just ofr reproduction, and intercourse exists also to foster love. Intercourse should be directed to the other person, not to the possible outcome of the act. Just realizing that parenthood might result, sufficiently justifies sexual relations. INtercourse should be a unification of persons not just a means to parenthood. A couple who have been childless might focus on procreation. this is not a perversion, but a heightened awareness that love and parenthood go together.”

I have had trouble understanding this as well. We must always leave God open to procreate but it is not a procreation only attitude.

I know that sex is a way for people to bond and that the Bible says not to withhold yourself from your partner, but I think that you can still have a strong marriage, with or without intercourse.

 

[PumpkinSeed]

I know that sex is a way for people to bond and that the Bible says not to withhold yourself from your partner, but I think that you can still have a strong marriage, with or without intercourse.

Well, yes, if the couple chooses not to have sex, that is their business, but they certainly are allowed to have sex if they so choose (as long as they dont use ABC)

 

[jilly4ski]

I understand what you are saying, but there are also other medical procedures that they will not perform. For example, about six months ago an OB/GYN happened to mess up a routine hysterectomy and then another physician had to take over. If I am the only other physician capable, but I refuse to perform a hysterectomy, then I would be contributing to the death of the woman for allowing her to bleed to death on the table.

Congratulations on the success of your NFP, though. I know it can be challenging for a lot of people, but it really is a great thing when it works.

You really need to learn church teachings. A medically necessary hysterectomy is perfectly fine. Thus if a doctor botched a hysterectomy and now it needed to be completed or she will die, then you are allowed to do so.

You would not be allowed to do elective hysterectomy, but if a woman is hemorrhaging out after birth or has a tumor in her uterus, then as part of treating the problem/disease, and a hysterectomy is medically called for then you can do it.

I suggest you do some reading here.

 

[LittleFlower378]

Trust me, it is not as easy as you think. Intercourse is not the only thing in a marriage but it is really important. To live as Joseph and Mary is a special gift.

 

[smiddle]

If you are asserting that the church is wrong, you would have to take that up with the Church. However you are not to interpret yourself, so if you truly are Catholic, your opinion does not matter. You have to accept what church teaches as truth.

So, if the Church still taught it, you would argue with people and tell them that the rest of the solar system revolves around the earth? That is clearly wrong and it is nowhere stated in the Bible. The Church establishes its dogmas and teachings after interpreting the Bible. Saint Augustine spoke out against contraception, but what did he cite to say that it was wrong? It was what he interpreted from the Bible.

 

[smiddle]

You really need to learn church teachings. A medically necessary hysterectomy is perfectly fine. Thus if a doctor botched a hysterectomy and now it needed to be completed or she will die, then you are allowed to do so.

You would not be allowed to do elective hysterectomy, but if a woman is hemorrhaging out after birth or has a tumor in her uterus, then as part of treating the problem/disease, and a hysterectomy is medically called for then you can do it.

I suggest you do some reading here.

Yes, but a lot of physicians do not perform them at all, which is where I find fault. I brought up that point based on my experience with the Christian OB/GYNs that I have spoken to before.

I’m assuming in the event that both the mother and the child’s life were at risk, we would save the child, right?

 

[PumpkinSeed]

So, if the Church still taught it, you would argue with people and tell them that the rest of the solar system revolves around the earth? That is clearly wrong and it is nowhere stated in the Bible. The Church establishes its dogmas and teachings after interpreting the Bible. Saint Augustine spoke out against contraception, but what did he cite to say that it was wrong? It was what he interpreted from the Bible.

Birth control is considered a mortal sin in the CC. As a Catholic, I am surprised you do not know that.

 

[jilly4ski]

Yes, but a lot of physicians do not perform them at all, which is where I find fault. I brought up that point based on my experience with the Christian OB/GYNs that I have spoken to before.

I’m assuming in the event that both the mother and the child’s life were at risk, we would save the child, right?

SIgh. No!. You need to read up on the link I posted, It is to the national Catholic bio-ethics center. Both the mother and the baby are patients and you should be working to save both.

If a physician doesn’t do hysterectomy at all, it would be because they are not trained to do so, and thus it would be a very bad thing to make them do so. The Church does not say that you cannot do medically necessary procedures.

 

[smiddle]

Yes, we all know that the “medical” community uses duplicitous words and definitions to avoid the actual reality of what is happening.(A embryo, a new life, is being expelled from the uterus before implantation). However, doesn’t it seem a little inconsistent to state that there is no pregnancy until implantation, but then date a pregnancy from the menstrual period?

Pregnancy is tracked in months, which is a general time frame. A life cannot be created without the sperm cell, so you cannot say that it is a life before fertilization. If that were so, a woman would be naturally having an abortion every month.

 

[smiddle]

Birth control is considered a mortal sin in the CC. As a Catholic, I am surprised you do not know that.

It is a sin to take birth control. I would not be taking it, I would be providing it because not everyone follows the Church and it is not my place to stop them from receiving birth control.