Obama Admin and the Feminist Lobby

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Thanks to the Obama admin and its closely loved feminist lobby men everywhere need to beware that our right to due process is in jeopardy. Women can now accuse men of sexual harassment with little or no proof and have the accusation stand. I think it is important to educate young men of the injustice they face and encourage them to be extremely discriminate in their relationships with women. We have little to no protection under the law from false claims and hiring a lawyer to fight such claims is going to be too expensive.

I’m tired of the feminist lobby’s “oppression complex” and power trip. I think it is time to stand up against them and put a check on them. Giving women the political power to destroy a mans life with accusations is disgusting and twisted. Anyone who is silent on the issue is just as guilty as the ones who allowed this to happen.

I think it is poetic justice how in the article the son of a feminist got accused falsely of rape. Ironic how she used all her legal prowess to get him off. What about all the men that didn’t have those resources? She got a dose of her own medicine. I feel sorry for the son. His mothers support of feminism is what made his life a nightmare.

news.yahoo.com/obama-administration-scraps-free-speech-070000053.html
 
I am not going to take a position on this one way or another at this time.

The reason is this, the article provided does not provide sources for any of the allegations that the author makes.

If these accounts are true, then there needs to be a lot more discussion on this issue. But right now, I see nothing more than an opinion piece.
 
Nimzovik said:
Hmmmmmmm… How about this?

iwf.org/blog/2431889/The-Presumption-of-Innocence-Should-Exist-on-College-Campuses-Too
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Ok, at least that one has some evidence behind it.

However, even in court, I thought that beyond a reasonable doubt was only the criteria for criminal matters, and civil matters, required only a preponderance of the evidence. It seems as though the case could be made that if that is what the court is using in non-criminal matters it would make sense for it to be used as the standard elsewhere for non-criminal matters.
 
Especially in the university setting, unfounded allegations and unfounded actions by administrators are really a true worry.

Being some years removed from university, I have no personal knowledge of the matter. But I have been reading Greg Lukianoff’s book, ““Unlearning Liberty: Campus Censorsship and the End of American Debate” on kindle.

Unwieldy title, but a worthwhile book. I highly recommend it. Mr. Lukianoff is no right wing zealot, but an atheist and a liberal. But he delineates numerous such cases on university campuses. They are very hard to defend and those accused have few rights, especially under the Dept. of Education’s Office of Civil Rights (OCR).

When students step into the university, they effectively put themselves at risk, both of unfounded allegations but of loss of free speech.
 
University campuses effectively have their own legal code. And one is pretty much guilty until proven innocent. Careers can be wrecked and persons destroyed. I certainly cannot agree with Mr. Lukianoff on many things, be he has it right on this one. So does Mona Charen.
 
Indeed. Your posts are well stated.

Methinks that Silentfactor80 may just very well be right on target here.

It is atrocious that such mechanism to protect not only reputation, but one’s very livelihood and perhaps freedom as well have been so eroded by the Dept. of Education.

Is not another title for the dark adversary the ‘Accuser?’ :cool:
 
Nimzovik said:
Indeed. Your posts are well stated.

Methinks that Silentfactor80 may just very well be right on target here.

It is atrocious that such mechanism to protect not only reputation, but one’s very livelihood and perhaps **freedom **as well have been so eroded by the Dept. of Education.

Is not another title for the dark adversary the ‘Accuser?’ :cool:
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Universities and the Department of Education have no power to take away someones freedom. This is a topic that needs good debate and discussion not hyperbole.
 
CatholicGeek1 said:
Universities and the Department of Education have no power to take away someones freedom. This is a topic that needs good debate and discussion not hyperbole.
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And yet, if Mr. Lukianoff’s book is accurate–and it is well documented–universites take away students’ free speech and and pursue unfounded allegations quite often.

Students sometimes turn to the organization that he is involved with–The Foundation For Individual Rights in Education–for help in fighting unfounded charges or in reversing unwarranted actions. But not everyone knows about the organization, and their resources are limited. Do students at universities know of the existence of their university speech codes, and the power that Title IX adminstrators have over their lives? Not likely, until it comes crashing down on them.
 
JimG said:
And yet, if Mr. Lukianoff’s book is accurate–and it is well documented–universites take away students’ free speech and and pursue unfounded allegations quite often.

Students sometimes turn to the organization that he is involved with–The Foundation For Individual Rights in Education–for help in fighting unfounded charges or in reversing unwarranted actions. But not everyone knows about the organization, and their resources are limited. Do students at universities know of the existence of their university speech codes, and the power that Title IX adminstrators have over their lives? Not likely, until it comes crashing down on them.
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It hasn’t been that long since I was in college, and I never saw anything like this. I don’t doubt that it happens, and if the allegations being made are true, it is very disturbing. I just really questions whether there is a real widespread problem, or if people are taking a couple of isolated incidents and blowing them out of proportion in order to sell books and/or create headlines.
 
Feminism, like most self-centered causes, is a very destructive force. However, it does often yield to Islam in the West.
 
CatholicGeek1 said:
Universities and the Department of Education have no power to take away someones freedom. This is a topic that needs good debate and discussion not hyperbole.
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Oh yes? Ultimately, when the ‘accusation ball’ gets rolling, a rush to judgement may not be far behind methinks. Remember the McMartin Preschool case? Where would they have been if it were not for the presumption of innocence?

Then there is the Duke rape case…

We all saw what happened there - yes?
 
CatholicGeek1 said:
It hasn’t been that long since I was in college, and I never saw anything like this. I don’t doubt that it happens, and if the allegations being made are true, it is very disturbing. I just really questions whether there is a real widespread problem, or if people are taking a couple of isolated incidents and blowing them out of proportion in order to sell books and/or create headlines.
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Methinks this subject could not possibly be blown out of proportion enough. However I reference the inequality here. The groundwork is laid. And just why is this so? I have to think it is not* just* assure harassment does not continue. It is well documented, the Liberal Left leanings of college professors- yes? We know how the Democrats love to intimidate via the ‘Politically Correct’ mechanism yes? I take no comfort in the fact that this mechanism of denial of innocence has been instituted.

Do you?

It is there. It has been* put* in place. It is* not* benign. Period.
 
More often than not, I take a very cynical attitude toward lawsuits involving financial compensation.

However, in cases such as this, I would fully support those who have been falsely accused in going after their accusers (and anyone who helped them by impeding the defendants’ attempts to present evidence to their innocence) full-force once they are cleared of charges. It is too serious an issue to be ignored.

As a side note, the federal government’s regulations on speech are not limited only to cases of sexual harassment; we will be seeing more and more punishment for speech that *any *specially protected group finds personally offensive.
 
CatholicGeek1 said:
It hasn’t been that long since I was in college, and I never saw anything like this. I don’t doubt that it happens, and if the allegations being made are true, it is very disturbing. I just really questions whether there is a real widespread problem, or if people are taking a couple of isolated incidents and blowing them out of proportion in order to sell books and/or create headlines.
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I agree with this as well. Never saw much of it myself, fortunately (though I’ve been out of college for a decade now).
 
To those who doubt that it happens, I can only recommend Mr. Lukianoff’s book. As I mentioned, he is a left leaning activist, and one with whom I don’t agree on much. But on speech codes and sexual harassment charges at universities, he seems to know what he is speaking of. Judging by the cases in the book, the problem seems to be most evident at larger and more presitigous universities, but that’s just my impression.
 
JimG said:
Judging by the cases in the book, the problem seems to be most evident at larger and more presitigous universities, but that’s just my impression.
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This could be one reason I didn’t observe or hear of it - I attended a very small college.🤷

I don’t doubt that it happens - I was just wondering how widespread it actually was.
 
 
Reading these links infuriates me! And to think people keep asking me why I refuse to be in the company of women. This is why. I’m not about to risk loosing my life on one.

I think its time women start a campaign teaching their own that this is unacceptable behavior. Women that make false allegations are like teenagers that throw a hissy when they don’t get their way or they loose control of their emotions.

I think the take home message for young men should be the following:
  1. Any woman could potentially accuse you of something falsely and you have little protection.
  2. Do not EVER be alone with a woman especially if you are in a position of influence.
  3. Limit your conversations with women such that only short and to the point speech is used.
 
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