Obama Deputy Attorney General Nominee: Childbirth Worse Than Abortion

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Washington, DC – President Barack Obama has come under fire for pro-abortion nominations for various positions and now he is drawing heat for nominating a pro-abortion Deputy Attorney General. His nominee David Ogden, is drawing criticism for authoring a Supreme Court brief dismissing negative effects from an abortion.

During the campaign, Obama came under heavy criticism for a comment saying he did not want his daughters punished with a pregnancy – intimating that abortion would be the preferred course of action.

Now, Obama has appointed a top Justice Department official who appears to feel the same way.

Full story at: LifeNews.com/nat4804.html
 
juliee said:
Washington, DC – President Barack Obama has come under fire for pro-abortion nominations for various positions and now he is drawing heat for nominating a pro-abortion Deputy Attorney General. His nominee David Ogden, is drawing criticism for authoring a Supreme Court brief dismissing negative effects from an abortion.

During the campaign, Obama came under heavy criticism for a comment saying he did not want his daughters punished with a pregnancy – intimating that abortion would be the preferred course of action.

Now, Obama has appointed a top Justice Department official who appears to feel the same way.

Full story at: LifeNews.com/nat4804.html
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There are so many issues here, but how in the world can a MAN say what a WOMAN goes through after having an abortion or giving birth?!?!?!?!?!?!? For that matter, how can anyone know what a woman goes through after having an abortion without having gone through it?
 
mlchance said:
The woman could explain what she went through?

– Mark L. Chance.
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I guess. But, if someone told you how they felt after being told they had a terminal illness, would you really know how they felt? Could you really feel all of those emotions? I just don’t think you can really understand what a woman goes through emotionally after something so traumatic if you have never experienced it.
 
I hate to say this…because I am a rather staunch Catholic, in fact rather “Jesuitical” in nature…

But…y’all need to not jump on a passing wagon load of manure and expect to come out smelling like a rose… You need to take things with a grain of salt, and if you are a “die-hard self-professed neo-con” go to your nearest drug store and get some smelling salts, because you apparently didn’t bother following the links that those people provided.

What you are falling “victim” to is brash neo-con incited vitriol that is senseless…as well as inflammatory, and in the end virtually meaningless as well stupid. If you had followed the links… you would have found these comments made by Obama:

**Obama’s comments came in the context of off-the-cuff remarks addressing the issue of AIDS. (see them here)

The candidate indicated he favored teaching both abstinence education as well as sexual education and he appeared to be hard-pressed to come up with something else to say when he brought up his daughters.

“When it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include – which should include abstinence education and teaching the children – teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual,” he said.

“But it should also include – it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I’ve got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old,” he added.

“I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby,” Obama said.**

Take his comments as full statements of a parent, and he is expressing the concerns of a parent…

For the love of “pete”… the guy has been POTUS for less than 2 weeks…give him a chance to find his measure before you start sounding like drunken “dittoheads” speed dialing “Rush”… OK?

And stop expecting the POTUS to solve every ill of the modern world…the “previous one” sure as the dickens didn’t!!!
 
Perhaps, but we must consider his record. He was one of the most liberal (pro-abortion) senators in the US. Now, he is our president.

One must carefully consider his judgement overall when he fails to realize the dignity of hman life. He will protect a woman’s “right” to destroy her own baby. How can we trust his judgement in other matters?

For the sake of argument, consider that the POTUS advocated the legal destruction of teenagers since they, too are a class of living organisms that are not fully developed. Would you find that reprehensible in the leader of your country? Or, would you give him a bit more time?

As Christian Catholics, we must be vigilant in our careful discernment and response to any statement that comes out of the White House.
 
I understand what you are saying, but once again…he has been POTUS for less than two weeks…and “glory be” the world has not come to an end!!

Me, I prefer to watch and wait…as I think I can see something “a brewing” on the horizon…🙂
 
If anyone thinks that Obama will be an unwanted fetus’ best friend, think again…or even one that is born in spite of a botched abortion.

It is very clear what his positions are on these matters, as evidenced by his votes in the past.

I don’t think we need to “wait and see” what he’ll do. Two weeks has been long enough for him to reestablish OUR TAX DOLLARS funding international pro-abortion education, yet it’s not sufficient time to tell you about the man’s morality in governing?

I’d like to be proven wrong about Obama, really, I would. 😦
 
tulsacubfan said:
I just don’t think you can really understand what a woman goes through emotionally after something so traumatic if you have never experienced it.
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I didn’t think we were talking about 100% correspondence between her experiences and my understanding of them. I thought we were talking about sufficient understanding to nurture compassion.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
RobHom said:
I hate to say this…because I am a rather staunch Catholic, in fact rather “Jesuitical” in nature…

But…y’all need to not jump on a passing wagon load of manure and expect to come out smelling like a rose… You need to take things with a grain of salt, and if you are a “die-hard self-professed neo-con” go to your nearest drug store and get some smelling salts, because you apparently didn’t bother following the links that those people provided.

What you are falling “victim” to is brash neo-con incited vitriol that is senseless…as well as inflammatory, and in the end virtually meaningless as well stupid. If you had followed the links… you would have found these comments made by Obama:

Obama’s comments came in the context of off-the-cuff remarks addressing the issue of AIDS. (see them here)

The candidate indicated he favored teaching both abstinence education as well as sexual education and he appeared to be hard-pressed to come up with something else to say when he brought up his daughters.

"When it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include – which should include abstinence education and teaching the children – teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual," he said.

"But it should also include – it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I’ve got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old," he added.

**“I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. **But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby,” Obama said.

Take his comments as full statements of a parent, and he is expressing the concerns of a parent…

For the love of “pete”… the guy has been POTUS for less than 2 weeks…give him a chance to find his measure before you start sounding like drunken “dittoheads” speed dialing “Rush”… OK?

And stop expecting the POTUS to solve every ill of the modern world…the “previous one” sure as the dickens didn’t!!!
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No matter how often I read the apologists for this guy I never ceased to be amazed. Your own quote from him says it all.

BTW, do “morals and values” mean contraception and legalized abortion?
 
fix said:
No matter how often I read the apologists for this guy I never ceased to be amazed. Your own quote from him says it all.

BTW, do “morals and values” mean contraception and legalized abortion?
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I am not an apologist for “anyone”. I merely stated that we have a new POTUS…he won the election, and no-one really has a 100% handle on what will come to pass… There is a lot of quarterbacking being done from the grandstands, but so far some of what was forecast has not come to pass…

Interestingly enough…there was an article in our local paper that pointed out that Obama tried to cross party barriers, and even offered to “reduce funding for reproductive services” or something like that… It was an opportunity of the first magnitude for the Republicans to take a strong stance and work to put their constituencies concerns first…but instead, they opted to vote as a partisan block…all 188 of them, but they still lost on the vote. Not only did they lose the vote, they also trashed a wonderful opportunity to do what is right…but they put “partisan politics” first…

What I find the saddest of all, is that so many people place all the blame on the President…as if he were the King of the World.
Reality dictates otherwise.

Myself, I prefer to seek the affirmative, than dwell on the negative. Every step in the right direction is good… But we have to make the effort to take the steps. Bemoaning the past or even the present…only indicates the need for Prozac…
 
cargau said:
Perhaps, but we must consider his record. He was one of the most liberal (pro-abortion) senators in the US. Now, he is our president.
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He was only very liberal on abortion and life issues. On most other things he is to the right of the party.
 
RobHom said:
I am not an apologist for “anyone”. I merely stated that we have a new POTUS…he won the election, and no-one really has a 100% handle on what will come to pass… There is a lot of quarterbacking being done from the grandstands, but so far some of what was forecast has not come to pass…

Interestingly enough…there was an article in our local paper that pointed out that Obama tried to cross party barriers, and even offered to “reduce funding for reproductive services” or something like that… It was an opportunity of the first magnitude for the Republicans to take a strong stance and work to put their constituencies concerns first…but instead, they opted to vote as a partisan block…all 188 of them, but they still lost on the vote. Not only did they lose the vote, they also trashed a wonderful opportunity to do what is right…but they put “partisan politics” first…

What I find the saddest of all, is that so many people place all the blame on the President…as if he were the King of the World.
Reality dictates otherwise.

Myself, I prefer to seek the affirmative, than dwell on the negative. Every step in the right direction is good… But we have to make the effort to take the steps. Bemoaning the past or even the present…only indicates the need for Prozac…
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His actions speak for themselves. He already has reversed an excutive order regarding funding for abortions. No surprise.

His position is critical not only in terms of the law but as example. His words and record are not on the side of life. I hope it changes.
 
RobHom said:
I am not an apologist for “anyone”. I merely stated that we have a new POTUS…he won the election, and no-one really has a 100% handle on what will come to pass… There is a lot of quarterbacking being done from the grandstands, but so far some of what was forecast has not come to pass…
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His third day in office he released funds to for overseas abortion providers. in addtion to paying for 10s of thousands of abortions the last time these funds were available(under Clinton) they were used by Peru to forcibly sterilize 90,000 poor women. So far the forecast has been correct.
Interestingly enough…there was an article in our local paper that pointed out that Obama tried to cross party barriers, and even offered to “reduce funding for reproductive services” or something like that… It was an opportunity of the first magnitude for the Republicans to take a strong stance and work to put their constituencies concerns first…but instead, they opted to vote as a partisan block…all 188 of them, but they still lost on the vote. Not only did they lose the vote, they also trashed a wonderful opportunity to do what is right…but they put “partisan politics” first…
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He did ask that funds for contraception be removed from the so called “stimulus” package. However his budget proposals still call for increased spending on “family planning” when the regular budget is worked on later this year. The Republcians(and 11 democrats) did not vote against reducing funding for contraception -it was not even in the bill.
What I find the saddest of all, is that so many people place all the blame on the President…as if he were the King of the World.
Reality dictates otherwise
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Guess we took to heart the message pushed by the left the last 8 years. However he has already assured the deaths of 10s of thousands of overseas children with his executive orders. one does not need to be king to do this.
Myself, I prefer to seek the affirmative, than dwell on the negative. Every step in the right direction is good… But we have to make the effort to take the steps. Bemoaning the past or even the present…only indicates the need for Prozac…
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What affirmative ? Funding for overseas abortions and sterilizations? A trillion dollar pork barrel bill that rewards his political supporters? Overeturning the ban on federal funding of fetal stem cell research? A pledge to overturn don’t ask dont tell and DOMA?

Obama is doing exactly what he promised he was going to do. it It is sad to see that those who told us he didnt really mean it continue to claim so even whenh he is doing it.
 
estesbob said:
On what things is he to the right of the Democrat party?
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Just watch the primary debates and you’ll see the candidates the media ignored (Kucinich, Gravel, to an extent Richardson). They were all more radical on Iraq, healthcare etc.

Obama isn’t an advocate of universal health care for example. He also isn’t anti-war.
I know these are just some things, and I don’t consider them as liberal issues, but for this I’m going by the American radar 😉
 
grampben said:
Just watch the primary debates and you’ll see the candidates the media ignored (Kucinich, Gravel, to an extent Richardson). They were all more radical on Iraq, healthcare etc.

Obama isn’t an advocate of universal health care for example. He also isn’t anti-war.
I know these are just some things, and I don’t consider them as liberal issues, but for this I’m going by the American radar 😉
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He has the most Liberal voting record in the Senate. He was for immediate withdrawal from Iraq and wanted to cut off all funds to wage the war.He had the most extreme pro- abortion record and views of any major party canidate to ever run for President. I know of nothing in his record trhat can be considered even remotely moderate.
 
estesbob said:
He has the most Liberal voting record in the Senate. He was for immediate withdrawal from Iraq and wanted to cut off all funds to wage the war.He had the most extreme pro- abortion record and views of any major party canidate to ever run for President. I know of nothing in his record trhat can be considered even remotely moderate.
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I already said he was an extremeist on abortion. Why is it, Bob, that whenever I discuss things with you you ALWAYS seem to think I’m pro abortion?

I would say on most things Dennis Kucinich is more left than Obama.
 
grampben said:
I already said he was an extremeist on abortion. Why is it, Bob, that whenever I discuss things with you you ALWAYS seem to think I’m pro abortion?

I would say on most things Dennis Kucinich is more left than Obama.
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Saying he is to the right of Dennis Kuciinich is far different than your original comment that he was to right of his party on most other things.

I have never said you were pro-abortion. I know you are not.
 
estesbob said:
Saying he is to the right of Dennis Kuciinich is far different than your original comment that he was to right of his party on most other things.

I have never said you were pro-abortion. I know you are not.
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True.

Apologies, you did one time call me an abortion apologist when I mentioned Iraq, but that’s behind me now 🙂
 
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