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Nate13
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Is there anything that prevents someone from creating a Catholic insurance agency? It appears one is needed considering the most recent events.
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Leegal
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Exactly.
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Leegal
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What is needed is a new President and start voting out the deadwood in Congress as your reps and Senators come up for reelection.
Clean house.
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Leegal
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Actually, even if that number were accurate it would not matter. What’s at stake here is the Catholic Church – 2,000 years with history, doctrine, dogma and a hierarchy – and a new law that violates the Church.
Who can outlast?
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oneofmany
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That is not what this administration wants—they want socialized medicine. They will put up road blocks until this happens.
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onenow1
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JRKH
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I don’t think so. My understanding is that any insurance company/agency HAS to provide certain things under Obamacare. so forming a new entity would bring it under these requirements that are so odious.
Or am I wrong…
peace
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Marybeloved
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The Bishops have rejected compromise and renewed their fight
usccb.org/news/2012/12-026.cfm
A good day for Catholicism, freedom and the USA
usccb.org/news/2012/12-026.cfm
A good day for Catholicism, freedom and the USA
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YADA
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There are Catholic Insurance companies … Providence is one
www2.providence.org/holycross/MedicalStaffServices/Documents/Physician%20Orientation%20Guide_080310_rev2.pdf
Introduction
The Church’s commitment to human dignity inspires an abiding concern for the sanctity of human life from its very beginning, and with the dignity of marriage and of the marriage act by which human life is transmitted. The Church cannot approve medical practices that undermine the biological, psychological, and moral bonds on which the strength of marriage and the family depends. Catholic health care ministry witnesses to the sanctity of life “from the moment of conception until death.”
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The Church’s defense of life encompasses the unborn and the care of women and their children during and after pregnancy. The Church’s commitment to life is seen in its willingness to collaborate with others to alleviate the causes of the high infant mortality rate and to provide adequate health care to mothers and their children before and after birth.
www2.providence.org/holycross/MedicalStaffServices/Documents/Physician%20Orientation%20Guide_080310_rev2.pdf
Issues in Care for the Beginning of Life
Introduction
The Church’s commitment to human dignity inspires an abiding concern for the sanctity of human life from its very beginning, and with the dignity of marriage and of the marriage act by which human life is transmitted. The Church cannot approve medical practices that undermine the biological, psychological, and moral bonds on which the strength of marriage and the family depends. Catholic health care ministry witnesses to the sanctity of life “from the moment of conception until death.”
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The Church’s defense of life encompasses the unborn and the care of women and their children during and after pregnancy. The Church’s commitment to life is seen in its willingness to collaborate with others to alleviate the causes of the high infant mortality rate and to provide adequate health care to mothers and their children before and after birth.
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TheRealJuliane
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JRKH
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Got my beads…A very old set, handed down to me from a great great Uncle who was a Franciscan brother, my “Uncle Brother Ferdinand”. The Rosary was blessed by his (biological) brother who was a Franciscan priest, my “Uncle Father Prosper”.No, this is DEADLY serious, unfortunately. Prepare to stand and fight.
I have always been a person who seeks consensus rather than confrontation.
Compromise can be a part of consensus building - but in this case, I just don’t see any way forward except confrontation. Peaceful, prayerful - but firm and resolute confrontation.
God give us all strength to stand with you and with your bishops.
God grant to the Bishops, and to all of us, the courage of true and holy martyrs.
Father, You have said, “Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called sons of God”.
Show us the way forward so that we may bring your peace and your Loving justice and mercy to this troubled world.
In Jesus name we ask this.
Amen
Peace
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mary_bobo
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I think this whole thing from start to finish as an “in your face”, “I can do it because I am president” affront to the Catholic Church and christianity as a whole.
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JRKH
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While I don’t disagree with this I don’t think it is necessarily that cut and dry either.
This president is pushing an agenda that was bound to run afoul of the constitution. His twin goals of “universal healthcare” AND “Women’s reproductive rights” (read: access to free or cheap contraceptives) are simply incompatible under under a single unit because it will inevitably run into problems stemming from religious and conscience rights.
Perhaps another, more intelligent, president could have blended the two things in an acceptable, but not this one…
In truth, I think that the fact that the Catholics he has surrounded himself with are dissidents hasn’t served him well at all. The advice he would receive from such people is bound to be skewed. So when they discussed this and formulated the rule, he did not expect that backlash that he has gotten.
Plus - he (and a good many others) seem to think that the Catholic Church is some sort of “democracy” where the majority rules.
We hear (and no doubt he has also) about how many Catholics have used some form ABC so, in the mind of many, this seems justification for the Church to change her teaching or accept this infringement. I’m sure we’ve all seen such comments in various articles and discussions.
Such a thing might work in other religious groups but it doesn’t work in the Catholic Church.
May god give us the strength we need.
Peace
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exnihilo
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Yes. Probably thousands of terrible laws. These are called barriers to entry in economics and our system is full of them. They help to entrench established companies and lessen competition.
This was true long before Obama. I remember in 2001 actually reading the dense insurance booklet I got. It stated that due to a new federal law, promoted by Ted Kennedy if I recall correctly, any insurance policy that provided breast cancer treatment must also provide reconstructive surgery. They’ve been interfering with free market health care for a long time. Laws like that raise health care costs. I’m sure plenty of women could have afforded insurance to just remove the cancer and forgone the reconstructive surgery. I hope their priority would have been tumor removal and reconstruction would have been something they could go without if they did not have the funds (after all bodily perfection runs the danger of the sin of vanity). But that law necessarily drove up prices and led to some being uninsured.
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Trader
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I see our president as a lot like the pagan Caesars who had no problem with the native religions of their conquered lands, as long as they also worshiped Caesar. They had no understanding that Jews and Christians could not do that, because everyone else could just add another god to their pantheon.
Sadly, Obama, the secularists, and even many catholics do not understand how fundamental this is to the practice of our faith. Many of us will be called to a kind of martyrdom before this fight is over.
If you need a realistic example of the long term fight we are in, please read this account of the fight the Amish had with Social Security. It took them from 1938 to 1965 to obtain a statutory exemption from Social Security and Medicare on the grounds that forced insurance violated their consciences.
amishnews.com/amisharticles/amishss.htm
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JRKH
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Trader
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Indeed. How many of us would close our bank accounts and watch as our means of making a living (plow horses) were sold at auction before we decided the price of conscience was too high? There are fines for failing to purchase the insurance that covers contraception. You can bet the size of fines will be increased if that is judged necessary to suppress the consciences of the lukewarm.
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lynnvinc
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That sounds like a step in the right direction, but I’m wondering about we people who have insurance (mine from a state university, not a Catholic institution). I never really considered whether or not my insurance company with drug benefits might be providing insurance coverage for birth control pills and abortions. I guess they would, which would then make me part of wrong-doing, since my money (the portion I pay) goes in to support that insurance company (Blue Cross/Blue Shield) and help pay for other people to get birth control pills and abortions. That’s the way insurance works, esp since I hardly use any of the benefits (I mainly use alternative medicine/herbs to keep healthy). And the benefits I do get, like my recent cataract surgery, only get a small insurance reimbursement & I have to pay out of pocket over $1000 – I guess they think it is cosmetic surgery or something. Even for the eye drops that cost $88 – the insurance only paid $3 on them, and I had to pay the rest. Which means my insurance payment money is probably going for other people’s abortions and birth control pills.
It looks like we are all complicit in this “child-hating” culture of death.
I wouldn’t want to do without insurance, just in case I get cancer or something. What’s a person to do?
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Deus_lo_vult
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Can anyone tell me where this “98%” stat comes from? I thought American Catholics were divided pretty evenly into two camps, conservative and liberal. If that’s true, it doesn’t make sense that 98 PERCENT of Catholic women use contraceptives to prevent conception…it would be abhorrent to faithful women to violate such a cardinal teaching.
I thought one problem with this stat is that it doesn’t take into account conservative Catholic women who take the pill to regulate their menstrual cramps (which is licit according to canon law as long as it is not intended to prevent conception and steps are taken to avoid sexual contact while on the pill), but NOT for contraceptive use.
Can anyone link me to the facts behind this stat?
And where does the 30% stat come from? People need to let the media know! I can’t stand that they keep recycling this “98 percent” stat, I’m sure it’s not true.
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