Obedience to a Priest

[marywarfield]

I don’t want this to come across as abrasive, I really don’t. Are you implying that I have to listen to my priest before my conscience?

And yes I am frustrated and anger isn’t the right word, I would use hurt. I love the guy no differently today as I would have 6 months ago.

I think you might be missing some major points in the conversation thus far. I tried to answer you in bold and then answered again after. I’m new so don’t want to ruffle any feathers but perhaps if you read page two again things will clarify themselves… If not I would be happy to answer, just not sure where you’re coming from right now.

Ok wow. I read pages 1,2, and 3 again and I’m really
really confused. Lol.
Outta here- good luck.

 

[Crux_Romulea]

It’s not an either or situation.
Your conscience drives YOU.
He drives the parish.
God bless you…I hope you find much joy and success in your ministry.
But you will do well to try to humbly defer to the priest. Here, or in any parish.

I agree that if my conscience does not allow me to do something for this particular parish in this particular ministry because I believe it hurts the Church that I love so much than that discussion needs to happen with the priest.

It’s not personal, it’s about His words so far… I haven’t seen or heard anything but “stuff” that is supposed to change my conscience yet.

I have a meeting with my spiritual director tomorrow and will continue to pray on it until then.

 

[Crux_Romulea]

shu.edu/academics/theology/upload/2011-03-30-New-Evangelization-and-Canon-Law-Gerety-Lecture-by-Cardinal-Burke.pdf

Worth a read, good stuff by Cardinal Burke with excerpts by our newest saint JPII (feels good to say that).

 

[teachccd]

. Teachccd thanks for reading and understanding.

Of course. I see this in our parish. I get it. God bless your perseverance.

 

[teachccd]

As Jesus said to the blind man, ‘did you get a permission slip before I save your soul? and by the way are you a Jew?’

Exactly!

 

[Listener]

This thread is rather confusing to me. The leader of the youth group is apparently a volunteer. The priest is saying that one of the youths in the youth group must leave? How does the priest know who comes to the youth group? Does he sit there and monitor everything that is going on?

When I was a child I was told I had to obey my parents. However, I was also told that if my parents asked me to do something immoral, I should NOT obey my parents in that case.

Maybe I have a bad attitude, but I think I would “forget” to ask the youth to leave. My attitude would be that If the priest didn’t like it, he could cut my pay! (Or maybe he could find another free youth director - how easy would that be?)

 

[Crux_Romulea]

I didn’t refuse to hear the priest and “forget.” Its more of a I won’t tell the child situation. Which I won’t.

I spoke to my spiritual mentor/director who set me right… A big thanks to all the religious orders for being able to see things from both sides.

For all the priests who read, its necessary to say, Thank You! Even though we lay people find ourselves in conflict with the clergy at times its only in hopes of building a stronger Church. I know now where I stand and what it is I have to do.

Praying for the priest’s. I love all the nun’s and priests and might find myself in conflict from time to time, but its only in hopes of pressuring them to do the right thing when its difficult.

 

[Agape_et_Shalom]

Thanks Listener and TeachCCD, for listening… err reading.

All of our ministries are totally run by the laymen. No priest will attend any ministry. If you ask you get the wrath. We are getting a good lesson in humility though. Fortunately we do have a couple of spiritual Deacons.

It appears Satan’s has done his job keeping the church off balance, especially since the scandal. The Evil one loves our litigious nature in reacting to crisis. I think I overheard Screwtape say, “What better way to continue our attack then put them on the defensive. They will first cover up their sins with legalese, paperwork and bureaucracy causing them to totally forget about the enemies simple answer to everything, Agape and Forgiveness!”

…but know this Satan you just affirmed for me. ‘…the gates of Hell Shall Not prevail over it’

Thanks again to everyone Crux got his answer from a very good Source.

 

[Crux_Romulea]

This thread is rather confusing to me. The leader of the youth group is apparently a volunteer. The priest is saying that one of the youths in the youth group must leave? How does the priest know who comes to the youth group? Does he sit there and monitor everything that is going on?

When I was a child I was told I had to obey my parents. However, I was also told that if my parents asked me to do something immoral, I should NOT obey my parents in that case.

Maybe I have a bad attitude, but I think I would “forget” to ask the youth to leave. My attitude would be that If the priest didn’t like it, he could cut my pay! (Or maybe he could find another free youth director - how easy would that be?)

I am crafting a letter thanks to this thread as to how I should handle it… Lord knows I should read and not speak (oh for God’s sake it would take forever without bullet points).

So, thank you for all who have supported, and maybe a little more who have opposed, and most to the Carmelite’s… You have fortified my position in a position of humility and justice while following my conscience.