Obesity in the "Body" of Christ

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Yes, I agree that we all can take steps to living a healthier life and encouraging others to do so as well… the OP’s points are valid… priests can easily be inundated with junk and it would be good for us all to take these things into consideration…

At the same time… as with all things, there’s a flipside, right? Even health food can become an obsession and body image can fall to vanity (just as much a sin as gluttony)…

So, as with all things in this world… it’s SO IMPORTANT to teach, live, and encourage MODERATION IN EVERYTHING. 👍
Yes, I agree. We are to honor the temple of the Holy Spirit, not worship the temple. This would be a false god - an idol.

Balance and moderation is important. Of course, today’s culture seems to be leaning to far in one direction. No pun intended.
 
Shhhhh! You’ve let the cat out of the bag! I can always offset my gluttony by my vanity or my vanity by my sloth!
You should see one of my mother’s cat! The thing must be 75% body fat!

Haha… it can’t even clean it’s rear end because he’s too fat to maneuver himself to take care of it. Oh, it’s so gross.

There is not a bag big enough to keep that cat in. 🙂
 
Sixty percent of the population is 20 percent overweight. That is NOT “medical”. Only 5 percent of obesity is related to genetic factors. Do duh math.
I agree with you… but easy easy… the both of ya

This discussion isn’t meant to turn into a calorie burning exercise. 🙂
 
You should see one of my mother’s cat! The thing must be 75% body fat!

Haha… it can’t even clean it’s rear end because he’s too fat to maneuver himself to take care of it. Oh, it’s so gross.

There is not a bag big enough to keep that cat in. 🙂
Do you feel the same way about people who suffer from obesity?
 
There are people who genuinely have a medical condition. There are those who eat normally but take no exercise. There are those who eat too much and do some exercise. There are those who eat ‘normally’ for an American and are a few pounds heavier than the ‘healthy’ weight the doctors arbitrarily set in the 1960’s. No problem there.

But there are those who NEVER know what it feels like to be hungry, the moment that feeling comes on, they eat. I think that’s spiritually unhealthy. As Catholics, we should know what it feels like to fast, to offer up our hunger in penance.

There are those who NEVER stop eating, and who become dangerously overweight, not 50lb overweight, but 150+lb overweight, the kind of people who just know they’re headed for an early heart attack. That’s the sin of gluttony, and is often a symptom of other things, like a community that doesn’t care about people, or a lack of self-esteem, or an eating disorder, or a controlling partner.

Also, there are those who NEVER stop thinking about what they’re eating. This can be the people who insist on always having the best their money can buy, or the people who obsess about eating healthily and having a great body, and who never give a thought to others.

Eating is a communal activity, we don’t just fill up an engine, we feed ourselves as whole people. All religions and all societies have rules governing eating, and always it’s a communal thing. I think the saddest thing is that we’ve lost that.
 
Do you feel the same way about people who suffer from obesity?
No, just my mother’s cat. 🙂

I used to be quite heavy myself. I lost about 35 lbs. through eating better and regular exercise.

Living in this culture is very difficult - temptations to eat junk food and ability to not have to do physical activity are there.

I work in a hospital, and the majority that the health problems also have serious weight problems.

This thread was started because I love our priests and brothers and sisters in Christ. As a community of believers, we can encourage one another in better life habits, mind, body, and soul.
 
I think most Americans in general are fat. It is a shame…even my wife needs to lose weight. We need to rid ourselves of the t.v. and do something active more often.
 
Obesity and weight loss is a lot more complicated than what many people think.

Eat less, exercise more and you’ll lose weight. It doesn’t always work that way. I wish to God it did.
 
Obesity and weight loss is a lot more complicated than what many people think.

Eat less, exercise more and you’ll lose weight. It doesn’t always work that way. I wish to God it did.
I hear ya!
 
I hear ya!
If those two things don’t work, perhaps there is a medical condition. I certainly admire anyone who is able to lose a significant amount of weight and keep it off.

May God bless all those who are genuinely trying.
 
If those two things don’t work, perhaps there is a medical condition. I certainly admire anyone who is able to lose a significant amount of weight and keep it off.

May God bless all those who are genuinely trying.
This is a good answer. If cutting down the intake, making healthy choices, and upping the exercise doesn’t make some shift in the disposition of one’s weight (from fat to muscle) and does not eventually result in weight loss, then looking for a metabolic or other reason is imperative.

Just from the odds, most people do NOT have a “health” problem. A three month trial of better eating and more exercise (I mean a SERIOUS effort, not just “thinking” you’re DOING it because it happens to come to your attention when you button your pants) should show concrete results. When I was losing that 30 pounds 8 years ago, by the 90-day mark I was down 20 pounds and counting.
 
This is a good answer. If cutting down the intake, making healthy choices, and upping the exercise doesn’t make some shift in the disposition of one’s weight (from fat to muscle) and does not eventually result in weight loss, then looking for a metabolic or other reason is imperative.

Just from the odds, most people do NOT have a “health” problem. A three month trial of better eating and more exercise (I mean a SERIOUS effort, not just “thinking” you’re DOING it because it happens to come to your attention when you button your pants) should show concrete results. When I was losing that 30 pounds 8 years ago, by the 90-day mark I was down 20 pounds and counting.
That’s nice for you that you don’t have a genetic predisposition or hormonal imbalance, nor have you jacked up your metabolism with years of repeated diet cycling. And how wonderful that you have super microscopic X-ray vision that can spot a lack of genetic mutation, over-expression of mRNA isoforms, damaged or poorly expressed hormone receptors, overproduction of antibodies against self tissues, etc. in most of the population. Now if you could extend a bit of compassion toward those who do deal with such things, it would be quite lovely and Christian of you.
 
That’s nice for you that you don’t have a genetic predisposition or hormonal imbalance, nor have you jacked up your metabolism with years of repeated diet cycling. And how wonderful that you have super microscopic X-ray vision that can spot a lack of genetic mutation, over-expression of mRNA isoforms, damaged or poorly expressed hormone receptors, overproduction of antibodies against self tissues, etc. in most of the population. Now if you could extend a bit of compassion toward those who do deal with such things, it would be quite lovely and Christian of you.
I’m sorry if you think I have spoken from ignorance. The whole point of my post was to affirm that someone who does the “right” things but remains obese should seek medical assistance.

Are you saying that of the 60% of the U.S. population that is more than 20% over weight, the majority have insurmountable medical issues? If you have resources on the conditions you mention in your post, I would be very glad to have the references. Although genetics accounts for only 5% of obesity, as you note, other things contribute as well.

And yes: it is “lovely for me” that my only problem was putting more into my mouth than I was burning. And it is “lovely for me” that by eating 900-1000 calories a day, for the past 8 years I have kept that 30 pounds from creeping back up on me. I don’t know why that should be thought uncompassionate or put anybody’s teeth on edge.
 
That’s nice for you that you don’t have a genetic predisposition or hormonal imbalance, nor have you jacked up your metabolism with years of repeated diet cycling. And how wonderful that you have super microscopic X-ray vision that can spot a lack of genetic mutation, over-expression of mRNA isoforms, damaged or poorly expressed hormone receptors, overproduction of antibodies against self tissues, etc. in most of the population. Now if you could extend a bit of compassion toward those who do deal with such things, it would be quite lovely and Christian of you.
I didn’t see Mercygate’s post as condescending to those with a valid medical condition that causes weight gain, but the point is that most overweight people do not have such conditions. 4 years ago I lost 57 lbs. I was healthy as a horse, but my doctor said that if I didn’t lose I was heading for major health problems. My problem was overeating and not exercising. Yes it is hard to keep it off and I have had to go back a few times to take off the few extra pounds I have gained. But I have come to accept that it is a problem with the way I eat and not medical.

I work in a soup kitchen and when I started I could not believe how many overweight people were coming there, but the Hispanic migrant workers were not among the overweight. Then I noticed what people were eating. The overweight folks tended to pile up the deserts and all the empty calories where the Hispanics seemed to make more healthy choices, plus they probably get more exercise when they are working since most work outdoors in landscaping or construction.

Most people who are overweight make poor food choices, and I included myself in that. Go to Europe or Asia and you don’t see too many overweight people, but now with the introduction of American fast food that might be true for too long.

We also drive everywhere instead of walk or ride a bike…but given our culture and how far we must travel to get to places we might not be able to change that too much. If I were to ride my bike to work it would take me about 2 hours or more to get there. But I do try to walk to get milk or go to the drugstore instead of driving.

Make simple eating and exercise part of you spirituality. And don’t think of losing weight a diet…think of it as a change of life style. Make eating simply and healthy part of living simply as part of living the Gospel. If someone does have a medical problem that causes weight gain, and I have several relatives who do have that problem, then a good nutritionist or RD can help keep it under control so that it doesn’t get out of hand, but it takes disipline.
 
I didn’t see Mercygate’s post as condescending to those with a valid medical condition that causes weight gain, but the point is that most overweight people do not have such conditions. 4 years ago I lost 57 lbs.
Congratulations on your success! Keep up the faithful fight. Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, and it’s for the glory of God. 🙂
 
Congratulations on your success! Keep up the faithful fight. Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, and it’s for the glory of God. 🙂
Not to mention that you FEEL a billion times better without the extra load.

Did I mention that my own “overage” of 30 pounds was nearly ONE THIRD of my ideal body weight? Nobody who has not experienced the “before” and “after” of that can appreciate the difference. I went from being grimly middle aged to feeling 17 again.
 
Not to mention that you FEEL a billion times better without the extra load.

Did I mention that my own “overage” of 30 pounds was nearly ONE THIRD of my ideal body weight? Nobody who has not experienced the “before” and “after” of that can appreciate the difference. I went from being grimly middle aged to feeling 17 again.
For me, one of the things that I like about losing all this weight is that the summer heat is far more bearable. I really do have a lot more energy, and feel better overall. Many people have commented that I look younger. I am 27 years old, but look about 20. Some of this is genetic, but it’s primarily from a healthier lifestyle.

Congratulations to you too. 🙂
 
I happened to see this, and its weird because this is something I was thinking about after finding this forum, and thinking more about Catholicism in general lately.

I know a lot of Catholics, and it seems to me that very few are involved in health consciousness. I only know one, who lives near me, who goes running with me sometimes.

This issue came to my mind again recently…I was watching Discovery Health and they had a show about super morbidly obese people…this one guy was about 800 lbs and had lots of Catholic medals, etc around his neck, and talked about his Catholic Faith, how he’s asking God to help him lose the weight.

I hope I don’t sound as if I am singling out Catholics…its just that I know people in various faiths and almost all tend to be health conscious. I’m just wondering why more Catholics are not more concerned about these issues (but after reading this thread, I see some ARE concerned…that’s what I get for posting before reading all the posts!)

I was raised in a health-conscious way by my parents…my dad was always into exercising, and my mom was into healthy food long before it became fashionable (she raised us on whole wheat bread back when people thought white bread was better for you.)

But when I got married, I unfortunately married a man who grew up on all the wrong things, and I began going out to eat with him a lot. I put on a LOT of weight.

8 years ago I lost 130 lbs (I was about 300 when I started). I made a decision to change my lifestyle for good, and I’ve never looked back. I went back to eating the healthy way my mom raised me on, and I went back to working out like my dad taught me to (I had been a runner as a teenager, believe it or not!), and guess what? The weight never returned.

The one bad thing about losing that kind of serious weight is: you end up with lots of loose skin around your midsection, inner thighs and under the arms (and due to my age, no amt of strength training will get rid of it, because I tried.) Cosmetic surgery is the only recourse, and I’m too chicken to go that route, so here it stays!

(Just thought I’d post that as a fair warning to anyone planning drastic weight loss…be forewarned!)
 
I think that what probably helps me more than anything is the principle of abstinence, a very Christian principle.

This may be different for everyone. For me, it means only drinking two sugar sodas a day instead of six. (Today will not be an abstinent day, as it is the 4th of July.)

For others, abstinence may mean no sodas at all, or diet sodas only.

Also, for me, abstinence means a workout at the gym. (Because of my foot and my knee, I am not able to walk more than a few blocks, so I am limited to swimming or the elliptical machine. Unfortunately, I don’t have either an elliptical machine or a pool in my home, so I must go to the gym to work out.)

When I first joined the Catholic Church, I lost about 30 pounds because for the first time in my life, I said “No” to various foods and “Yes” to a regular workout. I practiced this “abstinence” as a spiritual discipline, something that was quite new to me.

The idea of "spiritual disciplines"is really difficult for evangelicals, who have a hard time accepting that these are not “works-based salvation.” Evangelicals are very wary of anything that looks like we are trying to “work” to earn salvation or sanctity. It’s GOD’S job to make us holy, not ours! If you try to “add works” to what Jesus has done for us, you insult His finished work on the cross and demonstrate a lack of faith in His ability to completely save and sanctify us.

Yes, evangelicals accept that Christians will be holy. But where do you draw the line between good works that come from Jesus, and good works that you do in your own strength?! It’s a tricky call for them.

(This is one of the things I love about Catholicism, BTW! We are free to do good works! No “lines” exist–we are working out our salvation with Jesus beside us–He actually likes it when we try to “add” to the treasury of merit! He doesn’t consider it a “lack of faith” to try to be good.)

A lot of evangelicals avoid things that “defile the temple of God,” e.g., alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, drugs of any kind other than for prescribed medical purposes (I know Christians who won’t take aspirin for a headache), etc.

But food–ah, that’s a different story! I have a fun book that has a whole chapter devoted to the Lutheran “hot dish suppers.”

The problem is that everyone’s body handles food differently. Some ladies can devour large slices of the “Pig Pickin’ Cake” and drink cup after cup of lemonade at the Annual Evangelical Women’s Summer Tea Party," and they’re still skinny as sticks! Meanwhile other women walk into the banquet hall and look at the Pig Pickin’ Cake and lemonade and gain five pounds!

That’s what makes it so hard for people to be abstinent! It is really, REALLY hard to sit and munch on broccoli (not carrot sticks–they have a high glycemic index!), while your skinny pals are chowing down chips and dips!

Same for exercise. Some people work out for six weeks and look like the Terminator, while others work out for six months and lose less than an inch!

At least one person mentioned in this thread that a lot of obese people eat very healthy foods in normal sized portions. I would agree with this. I eat one of the healthiest diets in my workplace and I’m fat. Meanwhile the thinnest lady in our department eats donuts and coffee for breakfast and a diet that is almost all carbohyrdrates, no fresh fruit or vegetables (the only vege she likes is corn, which technically isn’t a vegetable), and very little protein.

Yes, she’s thin, but I KNOW that even with my hundred pounds of extra weight, I’m healthier than she is. A few months ago, at my annual physical, my lab tests were all normal, in spite of my fat. OTOH, this poor lady was rushed to the emergency room a year ago and spent a week in the hospital–diagnosis–congestive heart failure.

So thin isn’t always healthy.

My feeling is that obesity is one of those things that God asks some of us to “suffer” so that we can offer this up to Him. He wants us to work throughout our lives towards abstinences and detachment from food and sloth, and to glorify God in our bodies. It will not be easy for us and we will have to struggle not only with the fat, but with envy against our thin friends who seem to have no trouble remaining thin. Iit’s like St. Paul’s “thorn in the flesh.” The Lord leaves the obesity struggle with us so that we will rely on HIM, not ourselves. Our weakness is made perfect by HIS strength.

I think Catholics have to be careful not to adapt the “health and wealth gospel” that states that Christians have a right to “have it all,” including a beautiful, healthy, thin body on this earth. Like I said, we should glorify God in our bodies, but that doesn’t mean that they have to look a certain way. Remember John Paul II near the end of his life–his body was a wreck, but his soul was strong and beautiful.
 
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