Obfuscating the Occupy Wall Street Message

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It is sad to see how the media have distorted their message:

(a) Get a grimy-looking, hippy-looking kid who is inarticulate in front of the camera;

(b) Find the most extreme and lefty voice you can;

(c) Point out that the under-employed make up a lot of the crew.

THEN, stir it together and call them wacko.

NAHHHHH! Baloney!!

The truth is that few employed persons can just take off work to be physically present. Most of us agree that the big banks need regulation. . . in order for the market to work.

Otherwise, we see (here and in history) the Tragedy of the Commons: every bank guy working to maximize his own profit will KILL the goose that lays the golden eggs.

We need regulation to keep them golden eggs a’comin’ and the market to function.
 
Captain_America said:
It is sad to see how the media have distorted their message:

(a) Get a grimy-looking, hippy-looking kid who is inarticulate in front of the camera;

(b) Find the most extreme and lefty voice you can;

(c) Point out that the under-employed make up a lot of the crew.

THEN, stir it together and call them wacko.

NAHHHHH! Baloney!!

The truth is that few employed persons can just take off work to be physically present. Most of us agree that the big banks need regulation. . . in order for the market to work.

Otherwise, we see (here and in history) the Tragedy of the Commons: every bank guy working to maximize his own profit will KILL the goose that lays the golden eggs.

We need regulation to keep them golden eggs a’comin’ and the market to function.
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haha I think it would take more effort to find peaceful protestors in Oakland, than violent ones. Drug use is rampart within the movement, for proof just walk down there through the crowd. You will smell it. Anti-Semitic views are not the mainstream within the movement, but there is plenty of video/picture evidence to show its certainly alive and well within it. A poll done by a democratic source showed that 85% of them have jobs or at least did a few weeks ago haha. They would have more credibility if fewer of them had jobs. It appears many of them now have jobs as protestors whatever the case.

Citizens like you are fully capable of showing up on weekends or for short periods of time if it really mattered that much to you. The tea party seemed to get their point across without camping out for weeks. I truly wish the OSW crowd was more like the tea party.
 
Nate13 said:
haha I think it would take more effort to find peaceful protestors in Oakland, than violent ones.
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how many people in that crowd in Oakland?

stop and ask yourself what would happen if even a quarter of them were violent.

i think its pretty easy to find peaceful protestors in Oakland.

the vast majority
 
Jonatello said:
how many people in that crowd in Oakland?

stop and ask yourself what would happen if even a quarter of them were violent.

i think its pretty easy to find peaceful protestors in Oakland.

the vast majority
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Of course because it only takes a couple people to close up a port.
 
Captain America,
What is the OWS message that’s being obscured? Because I haven’t been able to figure out what the message is.
 
St_Francis said:
Captain America,
What is the OWS message that’s being obscured? Because I haven’t been able to figure out what the message is.
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I agree. In absense of an official doctrine to represent the movement, I can only conclude that anything I hear from members of the movement represents their doctrine, ergo I am forced to believe that the OWS beleives the following:
  1. Zionist Jews are responsible for the economy and need to be run out of businesses
  2. Christians are as dangerous to the united states as radical muslims.
  3. Money should be abolished and we should go back to a bartering system
  4. Capitolism is flawed and we should have a communist system
  5. “green money” for green jobs that will boost the economy (an economic impossiblity at this juncture)
  6. The government of the United States needs to be overthrown, violently if necessary
And that’s just scratching the surface of statements made by the movement’s members which I cannot and never will support.
 
The message is that the market fails unless there are effective rules in place. Otherwise, it’s the tragedy of the commons, where individual selfishness kills the deep public good of having a capitalist market.

We shouldn’t kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. An unrestrained market does this, and as this generation has learned, at great personal cost/harm. . . there IS no fabulous “Invisible Hand” that wards off market malfunction.

This was the great fiction, the Great Pumpkin or Grand Pooh-bah, of economic libertarianism, which, as we know, was admitted to be fake by Mr. Greenspan in his testimony to Congress.

(So it goes. Libertarianism ALWAYS sounds so nice. . . but it’s so damned impractical! Otherworldly; good in theory but not in practice).

At bare minimum, the protesters seem to want a repeal of Glass-Steagall. How can any serious investor NOT like that? . . especially considering the existence of CDOs.
 
LoveLookForever said:
Yeah, I don’t remember the story going like that either.
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From this article:*CBS 11 News has learned that the campers are so unhappy with their current conditions that **organizers are planning to temporarily move the protest in hopes that *local homeless and squatters *will leave the movement. **“We’ve had a large amount of unsavory elements which have gotten plenty of media coverage,” said protest organizer Reagan Clark. “Just made people feel unsafe.”
 
The above is interesting. I had heard something on the radio about people trying to SHUNT the poor, homeless, non-criminally insane, street people INTO these Occupy groups. . . as a way to shut them up.

I have no doubt that there’s a counter-reaction to the protest movement.

There actually was a list developed, of points, some not practical, as you might imagine, but others VERY valuable to restoring public confidence in the market.
 
Captain_America said:
It is sad to see how the media have distorted their message:

(a) Get a grimy-looking, hippy-looking kid who is inarticulate in front of the camera;

(b) Find the most extreme and lefty voice you can;

(c) Point out that the under-employed make up a lot of the crew.

THEN, stir it together and call them wacko.

NAHHHHH! Baloney!!

The truth is that few employed persons can just take off work to be physically present. Most of us agree that the big banks need regulation. . . in order for the market to work.

Otherwise, we see (here and in history) the Tragedy of the Commons: every bank guy working to maximize his own profit will KILL the goose that lays the golden eggs.

We need regulation to keep them golden eggs a’comin’ and the market to function.
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The truth is they have no message the obfuscate
 
Captain_America said:
The message is that the market fails unless there are effective rules in place. Otherwise, it’s the tragedy of the commons, where individual selfishness kills the deep public good of having a capitalist market.

We shouldn’t kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. An unrestrained market does this, and as this generation has learned, at great personal cost/harm. . . there IS no fabulous “Invisible Hand” that wards off market malfunction.

This was the great fiction, the Great Pumpkin or Grand Pooh-bah, of economic libertarianism, which, as we know, was admitted to be fake by Mr. Greenspan in his testimony to Congress.

(So it goes. Libertarianism ALWAYS sounds so nice. . . but it’s so damned impractical! Otherworldly; good in theory but not in practice).

At bare minimum, the protesters seem to want a repeal of Glass-Steagall. How can any serious investor NOT like that? . . especially considering the existence of CDOs.
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. I suspect you would be hard-pressed to find even one person in any of the occupy Wall Street protests that have any idea whatsoever what Glass-Steagall is.
 
“What do we want?”
  • “WE DON’T KNOW!”
“And when do we want it?”
  • “NOW!!!”
 
estesbob said:
. I suspect you would be hard-pressed to find even one person in any of the occupy Wall Street protests that have any idea whatsoever what Glass-Steagall is.
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No doubt, as is so for many of the ordinary not involved in the financial world.:rolleyes:
I would suggest tho’,one of the things they would want is regulation when it is clearly looking out for the little guy and protecting the interest of the common good.
Peace, Carlan
 
Then, there is this group of idealistic Occupiers:

powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/11/rampaging-occupiers-attack-78-year-old-woman.php

[click on the link to view the video]

Excerpt:

POSTED ON NOVEMBER 5, 2011 BY JOHN HINDERAKER

RAMPAGING OCCUPIERS ATTACK 78-YEAR-OLD WOMAN

We posted video last night in which degenerates from Occupy D.C. stormed the Washington Convention Center where Americans For Prosperity was holding a dinner. In the course of their riot, the Occupiers attacked a 78-year-old woman who had been attending the dinner, and pushed her down a flight of stairs. You see her at around the 3:20 mark of this video, shot by the Daily Caller:

The woman’s name is Dolores Broderson. Small Dead Animals got this email:

Ray Patnaude emails: “My wife and I were at the AFP dinner. Some info on the AFP member who was pushed down the stairs by the protestors… she is the second woman the police are helping up in the Daily Caller video. Her name is Dolores Broderson, age 78. She rode on a bus for 11 hours from Detroit to get there. She went to the emergency room with a bloody nose and bruises on her hand and leg.”

She rode from Detroit for 11 hours because AFP is a genuine grass-roots movement, unlike the Occupiers and their sugar daddies.

The Occupier movement stands for riot, assault, rape, vandalism, sexual harassment, public urination, public defecation and public …].

And Barack Obama owns it lock, stock and barrel. He has endorsed the Occupiers and never uttered a single word to distance himself from them.
 
Carlan said:
No doubt, as is so for many of the ordinary not involved in the financial world.:rolleyes:
I would suggest tho’,one of the things they would want is regulation when it is clearly looking out for the little guy and protecting the interest of the common good.
Peace, Carlan
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The problems we are facing were not caused by not enough regulation, they were caused by too much regulation. Probably the most egregious regulation was the one that imposed racial & low income quotas on making home loans.

My questions remains what is the endgame for the protesters? What needs to happen before they will end their protest?

My personal opinion is the protest will in when they realize they were lied to about global warming.
 
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