Objective time cannot exist

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To make two arguments against objective time we consider two cases that objective time could exist and then show that both cases are paradoxical hence objective time could not exist. Time is either eternal or it has a beginning. Eternal time is problematic since it requires infinite waiting to reach now hence it is impossible. In simple word, you cannot reach now from infinite past by finite amount of waiting. Objective time in another hand is something that is attached to changes hence time cannot have a beginning because beginning of time is the point in which we have a change.
 
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To make two arguments against objective time we consider two cases that objective time could exist and then show that both cases are paradoxical hence objective time could not exist. Time is either eternal or it has a beginning. Eternal time is problematic since it requires infinite waiting to reach now hence it is impossible. In simple word, you cannot reach now from infinite past by finite amount of waiting. Objective time in another hand is something that is attached to changes hence time cannot have a beginning because beginning of time is the point in which we have a change.
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Bahman said:
To make two arguments against objective time we consider two cases that objective time could exist and then show that both cases are paradoxical hence objective time could not exist. Time is either eternal or it has a beginning. Eternal time is problematic since it requires infinite waiting to reach now hence it is impossible. In simple word, you cannot reach now from infinite past by finite amount of waiting. Objective time in another hand is something that is attached to changes hence time cannot have a beginning because beginning of time is the point in which we have a change.
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If change had a beginning, time has a beginning.
 
davidv said:
If change had a beginning, time has a beginning.
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This is a contradictory argument. Beginning by itself is the result of a change hence you cannot argue that change had a beginning then time has a beginning.
 
Bahman said:
This is a contradictory argument. Beginning by itself is the result of a change hence you cannot argue that change had a beginning then time has a beginning.
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Not contrary at all. The first change started time.
 
davidv said:
Not contrary at all. The first change started time.
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Objective time by definition is attached to changes hence you cannot have the first change without time. The beginning for time though is a change by itself so the situation is paradoxical.
 
Bahman said:
Objective time in another hand is something that is attached to changes hence time cannot have a beginning because beginning of time is the point in which we have a change.
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Time is changes, but Time cannot have a beginning because that would be a change
:confused: :confused: :confused:

Your proposition makes no sense.

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tee
 
tee_eff_em said:
Time is changes, but Time cannot have a beginning because that would be a change
:confused: :confused: :confused:

Your proposition makes no sense.

“Bah”
tee
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I didn’t say that time is changes. What I am arguing is that beginning for time is a change hence you cannot define objective time with a beginning because objective time is attached to any change and objective time cannot define its beginning since this is paradoxical.
 
You have a partial point about infinite time.

Objective time however, can indeed exist finitely, because it is s property of material being, and so the clock began, one could say, when the matter was created, ie in the so-called “Big Bang.”

Or as another example, your personal time began when your human body was formed.

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Bahman said:
In fact my argument makes quite sense.

Any change has a before and after hence you need the very concept of time at the beginning yet time itself is something which started to exist after the beginning.

What you experience is only psychological time.
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There could be no ‘beginning’ without before and after, hence time.

Psychological time is just the in-head shadow of objective time, and does not correlate fully with it.

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Bahman said:
Any change has a before …
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And here lies your nonsense. :rolleyes:

By using the word *before you are begging the question. Stop inserting words that require the passage of time when you speak about the beginning of Time.

Here, I’ll do it again. Note the complete absence of Timey-Wimey Words:
A first change happens. Look! Time!
(* By which I mean *petitio principii * :cool: )

“Bah”
tee
 
Bahman said:
This is a contradictory argument. Beginning by itself is the result of a change hence you cannot argue that change had a beginning then time has a beginning.
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That’s if you define time as change. What if you define time as two events? Seems that the two events would be first there is no time then there is time.
 
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