Objective time cannot exist

[tee_eff_em]

You are kidding. Don’t you?

Bah. To quote one of the great philosophers: If I was kidding you, I’d be wearing a fez and no pants.

tee

 

[Memaw]

If that is so how is time in purgatory made less?

It’s not the “time” in Purgatory that matters, its our prayers. “time” is our way on earth of measuring. God Bless, Memaw

 

[davidv]

I don’t agree to use the concept of God for any paradox we face. We have to look for a solution otherwise we don’t need to think on any subject matter at all by saying whatever.

Fortunately, for us, God is much more than a concept.

 

[seagal]

I don’t agree to use the concept of God for any paradox we face. We have to look for a solution otherwise we don’t need to think on any subject matter at all by saying whatever.

The point is, first there was no time then there was. You yourself said that an infinite regress is impossible so at some point time began. Time didn’t cause itself to happen, it only began because a change occurred. The change didn’t have within itself its own cause, some outside ***agent ***had to be the cause. You don’t have to call it God, give it whatever name you like.

 

[seagal]

Bahman, I’ve gone through many of your threads discussing time and I can’t make heads or tails of what you’re trying to prove. In this thread you’ve said Objective Time can’t exist, by which I assume you believe that Subjective Time is all there is. I’m also inferring from previous threads that by subjective time you mean our own conscious awareness of time. So essentially you’re saying that time can’t exist unless our conscious minds are aware of the changes taking place around us. Am I getting this right?

Yes, to the best of my understanding. At least I know that there are issues with objective time.

There are issues with subjective time also. For instance, what about changes that took place in the universe long before there conscious minds to be aware of them. The universe has billions of years of history before humans came long, or even animals before humans. What about changes that are occurring right now in the outer reaches of the universe where our telescopes can’t reach? I asked this on another of your threads but didn’t get an answer.

 

[Tom_Baum]

The objective time is like an attachment to any event in a set of events which allows that events happen in order.

So, since it seems as if you have said, “Objective time cannot exist”, since that is the title of these postings, than, according to you, nothing has ever happened, especially, but not limited to, the stuff that has seemed to happen in order, is that what you are trying to say?

Personally, I disagree with you.

Even these “postings” to the “Objective time cannot exist” post seem to have happened in order, doesn’t it also seem that way to you?

I can’t give what I would call a good definition of time but I do not believe that time is the “measurements” that we sometimes seem to think of as time.

I have heard of time referred to as the fourth dimension added to the three dimensional physical world and that seems like a pretty good way of thinking about it.

 

[seagal]

Well I guess Bahman has abandoned this thread too. Oh well

I was listening to a John Lennox (Christian apologist) video the other day in which he said “nobody know what time is”. Out of curiosity I googled “What is time?” and found something interesting. Nobody knows! Everyone has theories about the nature of time and how it works, but nothing can be proved. So Bahman, you are perfectly within your rights to believe whatever you like about subjective or objective time, but you can’t prove your ideas either. Neither can I prove mine. Agree to disagree.