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TheologicalLeft
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Dying trying to attend mass isn’t beautiful to you guys?
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Book_Worm
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Not to be, no.
Treating God’s gift of life, both yours and that of others, so cavalierly is many things to me, but beautiful isn’t one of them. What kind of loving God would want you to do that?
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TheologicalLeft
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It’s beautiful dying to go see the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords instead of living in fear in your home that you might die going to see Jesus Christ, the Son of God and to receive Him in the Most Holy Eucharist
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TheologicalLeft
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God bless you
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Book_Worm
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And the innocent people you take with you, some of whom may not be going to see the King of Kings? Do you think “beautiful” is the way they and their family would see your decision?
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TheologicalLeft
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And what if you saved them because you were out?
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TheologicalLeft
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And then they found out you were going to mass and went with you
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Book_Worm
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How do you save someone by driving to Mass? “I’ve lived a life of sin and refused to listen to the saving Word of God, no matter who told me of it, but because I see someone taking his life and mine into his hands by driving to Mass when anyone with any sense would be staying home, I’ll turn myself over to God?”
No, it’s a lot more likely that you’ll kill or seriously injure someone else and turn him and all his family members AWAY from God.
Besides, there’s a good probability that it’s a sin to throw away the life God gave you by not taking the necessary precautions to safeguard it.
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TheologicalLeft
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I was just trying to play the what if game and show how dumb it is the focus should be on what you are doing plus I meant like a car flipped over and no one was out to help because of the conditions all that. And no it’s not a sin to try to go to mass and dying that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard and it’s not a sin not to go either I was just saying death happens it’s beautiful to die trying to make it to mass and that’s where I will be everyday of the rest of my life rain, sleet, or snow.
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GEddie
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The chance that you would “save someone” by being out in a winter storm is much less than that you would wreck yourself and/or others by driving a car in that weather.
Martyrdom is not something we are to seek out. During the Muslim assault on Spain in the 700s, many youths of Spain publicly chAllenged the Muslims, hoping to be martyred. The Church had to tell them that getting killed in this way would not be martyrdom, but suicide.
The obligation to attend Mass does not extend to physically endanger ourself or especially others. This includes not only driving in a winter storm, but attending Mass when contagiously ill, I.e. with the flu.
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EasterJoy
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That would be true if the danger of death could not have been foreseen. In this case, however, there the obligation to attend Mass is dispensed and the obligation to preserve life remains. If you really think you are endangering the life of anyone by driving to Mass, STAY HOME!!
If you can go out driving around in awful weather without posing a danger to yourself or anyone else, then sure, go to Mass and, if you see someone who needs saving, save them instead of going to Mass. The duty to see to their urgent and serious need would also dispense you from your obligation.
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TheologicalLeft
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I’ll still be going to mass no matter what the weather is and no one’s going to stop me. I know my obligation is dispensed I don’t need to be obligated to go to mass I don’t care if I have to crawl to get there
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Luvz2travel
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This is an interesting question. I missed mass because I was sick last Sunday but had to work. If I missed work again from my pt night job I would be fired and not able to pay my bills (we are only allowed to call in sick once) 2xs = no job. With the roads being icey already and knowing work is all I could manage I skipped Mass to give myself more sleep. I’ve been sick 2 weeks and in bed 4 days in a row. Generally I don’t miss mass I try not too but if it’s iffy better to be safe. On a side note my car was totalled several years ago right after coming from Mass at the Cathedral so going to Mass doesn’t guarantee a safe journey anywhere.
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3DOCTORS
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I’m glad to see this thread, even if some of the replies are a bit off the wall. 
I hate having to make this decision and I had to make it two weeks ago. My scrupulosity from of old tries to nag at me with what to do or not do in cases such as these. :winter:
And now here we are with ice again, and snow on the way. Just like two weeks ago, in my area it was a question of whether Saturday might be better than Sunday - or vice versa.
I called it wrong and Sunday turned out worse. Ugh - I hate this! :snowing:
But if I can get past all that, what I do know is that any priests I’ve heard mention the issue in their homilies, the message is “Use common sense.” Common sense for me I think does need to take into account the fact that if I total my vehicle, I can’t afford another one. My vehicle is big and heavy (a van) and doesn’t have anti-lock brakes and all that fancy stuff, so it might be harder to stop if there were a pedestrian, or another driver turning out in front of me suddenly - basically any situation where I might not be able to stop easily and people could get hurt.
**PSA for anyone - wear your seatbelt in a car/truck, and a helmet and protective gear if you’re on a motorcycle or bicycle, will you please? We had a man die on the turnpike this morning due to the ice and he wasn’t belted, was thrown from the vehicle. Needless loss of life. And there’ve been several killed in motorcycle accidents the past few months. I see so many not wearing a helmet, I just cringe. Thank you and God bless you. Stay alive, don’t text and drive. All of that stuff. **
I hate having to make this decision and I had to make it two weeks ago. My scrupulosity from of old tries to nag at me with what to do or not do in cases such as these. :winter:
And now here we are with ice again, and snow on the way. Just like two weeks ago, in my area it was a question of whether Saturday might be better than Sunday - or vice versa.
I called it wrong and Sunday turned out worse. Ugh - I hate this! :snowing:But if I can get past all that, what I do know is that any priests I’ve heard mention the issue in their homilies, the message is “Use common sense.” Common sense for me I think does need to take into account the fact that if I total my vehicle, I can’t afford another one. My vehicle is big and heavy (a van) and doesn’t have anti-lock brakes and all that fancy stuff, so it might be harder to stop if there were a pedestrian, or another driver turning out in front of me suddenly - basically any situation where I might not be able to stop easily and people could get hurt.
**PSA for anyone - wear your seatbelt in a car/truck, and a helmet and protective gear if you’re on a motorcycle or bicycle, will you please? We had a man die on the turnpike this morning due to the ice and he wasn’t belted, was thrown from the vehicle. Needless loss of life. And there’ve been several killed in motorcycle accidents the past few months. I see so many not wearing a helmet, I just cringe. Thank you and God bless you. Stay alive, don’t text and drive. All of that stuff. **
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