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I hope this is the correct place. Can sombody answer the question as to why the Church has set up days of obligations?
Not that I mind i like those feast days but why must one go to mass and if we miss because we dont feel like going its a sin.
 
The Church is our mother. We should want to celebrate those days together as they are very important to our faith–the same reason why we are obliged to go to Mass on Sunday. We should go out of love, but for those of us who haven’t gotten to that point yet, our mother provides some added motivation–its for our own good–just like when as children our mother gave us consequences (spankings, groundings, etc.) if we did not do things that we now want to do as mature adults–it was for our good 👍
 
Hi,
I hope this is the correct place. Can sombody answer the question as to why the Church has set up days of obligations?
Not that I mind i like those feast days but why must one go to mass and if we miss because we dont feel like going its a sin.
I’ve always had a problem with this myself. Why must a faith filled Catholic, have to be threatened with a day of obligation to attend Mass? I want to attend Mass, on these days.

In fact, at one time there were as many as 35 Holy Days of Obligation, not counting Sundays. They shrunk that down to what we have today. So what happened to the souls who missed Mass on one of those 35 days, that are no longer days of obligation?

Jim
 
I’ve always had a problem with this myself. Why must a faith filled Catholic, have to be threatened with a day of obligation to attend Mass? I want to attend Mass, on these days.

In fact, at one time there were as many as 35 Holy Days of Obligation, not counting Sundays. They shrunk that down to what we have today. So what happened to the souls who missed Mass on one of those 35 days, that are no longer days of obligation?

Jim
Simple. It depends on why those people missed Mass. If they had a legitimate reason to miss, they are fine (assuming everything else equal). If they deliberately skipped out of rank disobedience, then they are in trouble. It’s not the day that is deadly, it’s the disobedience. All authority comes from God and to disobey a legitimate authority giving legitimate orders (ie that are not immoral) is to disobey God.

Think of days of obligation not as burdens, but as opportunities to show obedience.
 
So what happened to the souls who missed Mass on one of those 35 days, that are no longer days of obligation?
I wuld guess that the church leave that up to God. After all its a question of obedience, i think.
Genesis315…I like to go to mass on thos special days. But why remove some days rather than make more. Have days of obligation existed throughout the histry of the church? When did the church decide to make it a sin if we miss going to church on holy days. I know that some years ago when christmas fell on a Sunday, many other noncatholic church said that their people didnt have to go to church that day. (dumb if u ask me) but if I understand correct to them its neither here no there if one goes to church on sunday.
 
Simple. It depends on why those people missed Mass. If they had a legitimate reason to miss, they are fine (assuming everything else equal). If they deliberately skipped out of rank disobedience, then they are in trouble. It’s not the day that is deadly, it’s the disobedience. All authority comes from God and to disobey a legitimate authority giving legitimate orders (ie that are not immoral) is to disobey God.

Think of days of obligation not as burdens, but as opportunities to show obedience.
But that’s just it. A person of faith, doesn’t need to have the threat of mortal sin, to attend Mass, they do it willingly and with love.

Quite frankly, I think back in those days, the days of obligation were used as a means of raising money for the Church. In those days, attending Mass always cost money.

Today, my parish doesn’t have a collection on any days other than Sundays. However, I do remember the days with envelopes on Holy Days of Obligation.

Jim
 
The holy day issue came up for me when, after several years away from the church, I came back and found that some days that are SUPPOSED to be Holy Days (at least the Church at one time thought them important enough to add to the list) may not BE holy day, depending on what parish you go to.

We should want to go to mass as often as possible, I agree. But are some holy days more important than others? And why?

I’m confused.:confused:
 
But that’s just it. A person of faith, doesn’t need to have the threat of mortal sin, to attend Mass, they do it willingly and with love.
So the Church is telling them to do what they want to do anyway. What’s the problem? Obligation does not mean threat to someone obedient.
Quite frankly, I think back in those days, the days of obligation were used as a means of raising money for the Church. In those days, attending Mass always cost money.
This is waayy too cynical to seriously entertain.
Today, my parish doesn’t have a collection on any days other than Sundays. However, I do remember the days with envelopes on Holy Days of Obligation.

Jim
Pratically they don’t have any collection days because no one is required to put anything in the basket. The Church precept is that we are obligated to provide for the material needs of the the Church, not that we have to stick something in the basket.
 
So the Church is telling them to do what they want to do anyway. What’s the problem? Obligation does not mean threat to someone obedient.
This is waayy too cynical to seriously entertain.
But a fact of history. The Church had its corrupt days, have no doubt about it. In the medieval ages, people had to pay for seats so they could get a better view of the priest and the sacred host. Of course the wealthy got the best seats.

You’d probably be shocked to read about the many Papal wars that were carried out in Europe. I know I was when I first started reading about it. You have to get over denial about the sins the Church committed in the past. Pope John Paul II did and made an official apology to the world for them.

Anyway, a good book on the history of the Catholic Church, where nothing is brushed under the rug is, “Triumph: The Power and the Glory of the Catholic Church” by H.W. Crocker

His book was featured on EWTN’s Book Mark and I ended up buying it. Its excellent ready and probably the most interesting and easy to read books on Church history

Jim
 
But a fact of history. The Church had its corrupt days, have no doubt about it. In the medieval ages, people had to pay for seats so they could get a better view of the priest and the sacred host. Of course the wealthy got the best seats.

You’d probably be shocked to read about the many Papal wars that were carried out in Europe. I know I was when I first started reading about it. You have to get over denial about the sins the Church committed in the past. Pope John Paul II did and made an official apology to the world for them.

Anyway, a good book on the history of the Catholic Church, where nothing is brushed under the rug is, “Triumph: The Power and the Glory of the Catholic Church” by H.W. Crocker

His book was featured on EWTN’s Book Mark and I ended up buying it. Its excellent ready and probably the most interesting and easy to read books on Church history

Jim
Thr Church has NEVER been corrupt. The Church CANNOT be corrupted. Only people within the Church have been corrupt on occasions.
 
Thr Church has NEVER been corrupt. The Church CANNOT be corrupted. Only people within the Church have been corrupt on occasions.
The people are the Church and corrupt people have made the Church corrupt.

The Church is without error in the deposits of Faith, but the Church in fact, under the leadership of various Popes, engaged in warfare for power and control. Popes had their own armies and some Popes even fought with them.

Sorry if these facts upset you. But the faster you come to grips with it, the stronger your faith will become.

Jim
 
The people are the Church and corrupt people have made the Church corrupt.

The Church is without error in the deposits of Faith, but the Church in fact, under the leadership of various Popes, engaged in warfare for power and control. Popes had their own armies and some Popes even fought with them.

Sorry if these facts upset you. But the faster you come to grips with it, the stronger your faith will become.

Jim
Jim, one’s faith is strengthened by truth, but not by ignorance of the Church’s identity.

In Lumen Gentium 1:4 (The Dogmatic constitution of the Church) we find: “Hence the universal Church is seen to be a people brought into unity from the unity of the Father, the Son and Spirit.” (Which, btw, was a quote from St. Cyprian of Carthage.)

Here, St. Cyprian, of course, and the 2nd Vat. C. also, spoke of “A PEOPLE” as one organic whole, not as merely the sum of the number of individuals. That is because the Church is One Mystical Person of Christ and Body in a supernatural union of Grace by the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit in three states: of blessedness in Heaven, of purification after death, of visible communion on earth. This means that Christ dwells in all and only in all that comes from Him (what He joins to Himself), but not in any of what contradicts Himself. This is why there can not be a facile identification of the Church with its visible members with all the actions of all or any of its members. All that comes from the sin of its visible members, of course, is not the Church, because it departs from union with Christ. The opposite distortion is this “we are the Church” materially understood as one would of any other sociological grouping of humanity, which is a radical secularization of a Divine Mystery. This is why one can say that every member of the Visible Church sins, but the Church does not sin. Thus in the late John Paul II’s “apology” we see clearly that he does not identify the Church herself with the sins of which her sons and daughters, however lofty their position, have committed.

Thus the Church is Holy, not sinful as its members are (taken individually or materially, for there are many dead members of the Visible Church who are only materially, i.e., externally, joined to the Church and to Christ, who nevertheless have the opportunity of being revived, especially by the prayers and sacrifices of the alive members.)

It can be difficult for some to see this since they approach the issue superficially, materially, without understanding the depth of the union of Christ with His Visible Body. When that Visible Body teaches it is Christ Who teaches.

Thus only what is done out of this union with Christ in us is the Church, such as teaching on faith or morals by the Magisterium, the sacramental life of the Church, the acts of virtue done in grace by the faithful, above all the lives of heroic sanctity of the Saints. All this is Christ in us who cooperate with Him. The errors in teaching by individuals or sections of the Church, the moral failures, the exercises in poor judgment, the omission of doing good when the circumstances require it, all this is done not by virtue of union with Christ, but by virtue of sinners’ own initiative as first cause themselves, and thus not by the Church. It takes divine faith that the Church is this Great Mystery of union between Christ and His Body to see this; a purely sociological approach misses this entirely as does an historical/scientific approach without faith.

This article further addresses the nature of the Church:

bringyou.to/apologetics/a45.htm

But to the topic at hand, obedience is the foundation on which understanding grows. The Church in its wisdom has put forward for us certain great Feast Days on which all members of the Body are to set aside a brief time to come together in worship and thanksgiving for what God has wrought for our wonder. It is not too little to expect His children to do so with eagerness and docility to His voice through His Body.
 
FCEGM

I think you’re in denial.

You’ll have to explain why Pope John Paul II apologized for the sins of the Church.

Jim
 
FCEGM

I understand the theological definition of the Church. However, we can not separate the fact that the sins committed by the institutional Church do in fact harm the theological Church.

Further, when the hierarchy of the Church order sinful acts such as the papal wars, torture, and murder, it is the institution of the Roman Catholic Church that is identified by the victims and the theological Church matters little.

When Pope John Paul II apologized for the sins committed by the members of the Church, it was the institutional Church he was apologizing for.

Jim
 
It does not help to clarify what really is a Holy Day of Obligation when an Archdiocese lists inaccurate information on their own website. Ash Wednesday, Holy Thursday, Good Friday and Holy Saturday have never been Holy Days of Obligation in the USA.
 
It does not help to clarify what really is a Holy Day of Obligation when an Archdiocese lists inaccurate information on their own website. Ash Wednesday, Holy Thursday, Good Friday and Holy Saturday have never been Holy Days of Obligation in the USA.
The obligation for these days isn’t Mass attendance, but fast and abstinence. I think thats what the website is referring to.

Jim
 
The obligation for these days isn’t Mass attendance, but fast and abstinence. I think thats what the website is referring to.

Jim
Holy Thursday and Holy Saturday are not days of fast and abstinence any longer.
 
The people are the Church and corrupt people have made the Church corrupt.

The Church is without error in the deposits of Faith, but the Church in fact, under the leadership of various Popes, engaged in warfare for power and control. Popes had their own armies and some Popes even fought with them.

Sorry if these facts upset you. But the faster you come to grips with it, the stronger your faith will become.

Jim
You are wrong. The Church CANNOT be corrupted.
By the way you are in no position to determine how strong my faith is or how it can be stronger. You are very arrogant!!
 
…So what happened to the souls who missed Mass on one of those 35 days, that are no longer days of obligation?

Jim
And the souls who ate meat on a non-lent Friday, when all Fridays of the year were days of abstinence? 🤷
 
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