Obligations

[rhiannonh]

Please forgive me here but

why why why do half of you reply to questions with answers that include its your obligation or duty to…

Out of no disrespect - to me that is absolute cop out answer and rubbish if that is all you can find to say about a fellow christian should be in church. Can’t you find better, genuine answers to use?

What we do think and say in or out of church has nothing to do with obligaitons or duty. Simply that we love God and this is how as Roman Catholics we show our love to God.

I just read a thread title that asks do the RC church still teach fear? I don’t know the answer to that but a couple of month on here and most of the replies install fear far beyond what the original question was actually about. So whether the church teaches it I don’t know but its activated via here.

All of what you have shown me here is that am very relieved to be a relaxed anglican (and do bother with confession), with a very approachable priest at church. If I was RC well the poor parish priest…, - I would never be out of confession if hadn’t have been excommunicated long ago by what I read here. I just wish that people could have a happy spiritual time with God.

People are very worried when they come to post questions in a public space. Too worried to be able to seek help locally. The last thing they need is obligaitons and duties etc thrown at them. The first thing they need is a thank you because someone somewhere be reading it and applies to them too. Look after our brothers and sisters in Christ. Not torture them with canticles and articles and duties and obligations. Tell them it so they inspire to feel good, not want to walk away deflated because never going to achieve it.
Many many posts really have gone way beyond the orginal question and quite frightening really what some of you say to one another in reply.
Just think next time you post and make it something that you would want to receive yourself. A few threads/posts been very good. I know that people are probably just over keen to help. But stop a second. What made that person post instead of asking their priest? For 99% of the time they will have a far better answer from their priest than they will get here from what I’ve read. People come here initially for reassurance. Let them receive reasssurance and love.
Peace be with you all
Amen

 

[Big_Feet]

Please forgive me here but

why why why do half of you reply to questions with answers that include its your obligation or duty to…

Out of no disrespect - to me that is absolute cop out answer and rubbish if that is all you can find to say about a fellow christian should be in church. Can’t you find better, genuine answers to use?

What we do think and say in or out of church has nothing to do with obligaitons or duty. Simply that we love God and this is how as Roman Catholics we show our love to God.

I just read a thread title that asks do the RC church still teach fear? I don’t know the answer to that but a couple of month on here and most of the replies install fear far beyond what the original question was actually about. So whether the church teaches it I don’t know but its activated via here.

All of what you have shown me here is that am very relieved to be a relaxed anglican (and do bother with confession), with a very approachable priest at church. If I was RC well the poor parish priest…, - I would never be out of confession if hadn’t have been excommunicated long ago by what I read here. I just wish that people could have a happy spiritual time with God.

People are very worried when they come to post questions in a public space. Too worried to be able to seek help locally. The last thing they need is obligaitons and duties etc thrown at them. The first thing they need is a thank you because someone somewhere be reading it and applies to them too. Look after our brothers and sisters in Christ. Not torture them with canticles and articles and duties and obligations. Tell them it so they inspire to feel good, not want to walk away deflated because never going to achieve it.
Many many posts really have gone way beyond the orginal question and quite frightening really what some of you say to one another in reply.
Just think next time you post and make it something that you would want to receive yourself. A few threads/posts been very good. I know that people are probably just over keen to help. But stop a second. What made that person post instead of asking their priest? For 99% of the time they will have a far better answer from their priest than they will get here from what I’ve read. People come here initially for reassurance. Let them receive reasssurance and love.
Peace be with you all
Amen

This is beautiful and unfortunatel so often true! In all things, charity, first!
God Bless You!

 

[paperwight66]

OP, could you give some examples, please?
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[1ke]

I’m sorry but your post doesn’t make any sense to me. Can you clarify?

 

[rhiannonh]

You do what you do in church and you go to church because you Love God and want to worship him ‘at home’

not because xxx000000000 document says its your duty to etc.

Is that clear enough for everyone?

But you have helped me in my own confession when I next make it - near to Ash Wednesday of my own observance lately so thank you

 

[Bob_Aliano]

You do what you do in church and you go to church because you Love God and want to worship him ‘at home’

not because xxx000000000 document says its your duty to etc.

Is that clear enough for everyone?

But you have helped me in my own confession when I next make it - near to Ash Wednesday of my own observance lately so thank you

Having a bad day are we?

 

[YoungTradCath]

You do what you do in church and you go to church because you Love God and want to worship him ‘at home’

not because xxx000000000 document says its your duty to etc.

Is that clear enough for everyone?

But you have helped me in my own confession when I next make it - near to Ash Wednesday of my own observance lately so thank you

God gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom. Peter is using them keys he is.

 

[Luvtosew]

You do what you do in church and you go to church because you Love God and want to worship him ‘at home’

not because xxx000000000 document says its your duty to etc.

Is that clear enough for everyone?

But you have helped me in my own confession when I next make it - near to Ash Wednesday of my own observance lately so thank you

Yes I agree we should woship God because we want to, not because we have to.

 

[TheDoctor]

Please forgive me here but

why why why do half of you reply to questions with answers that include its your obligation or duty to…

Out of no disrespect - to me that is absolute cop out answer and rubbish if that is all you can find to say about a fellow christian should be in church. Can’t you find better, genuine answers to use?

What we do think and say in or out of church has nothing to do with obligaitons or duty. Simply that we love God and this is how as Roman Catholics we show our love to God.

I just read a thread title that asks do the RC church still teach fear? I don’t know the answer to that but a couple of month on here and most of the replies install fear far beyond what the original question was actually about. So whether the church teaches it I don’t know but its activated via here.

All of what you have shown me here is that am very relieved to be a relaxed anglican (and do bother with confession), with a very approachable priest at church. If I was RC well the poor parish priest…, - I would never be out of confession if hadn’t have been excommunicated long ago by what I read here. I just wish that people could have a happy spiritual time with God.

People are very worried when they come to post questions in a public space. Too worried to be able to seek help locally. The last thing they need is obligaitons and duties etc thrown at them. The first thing they need is a thank you because someone somewhere be reading it and applies to them too. Look after our brothers and sisters in Christ. Not torture them with canticles and articles and duties and obligations. Tell them it so they inspire to feel good, not want to walk away deflated because never going to achieve it.
Many many posts really have gone way beyond the orginal question and quite frightening really what some of you say to one another in reply.
Just think next time you post and make it something that you would want to receive yourself. A few threads/posts been very good. I know that people are probably just over keen to help. But stop a second. What made that person post instead of asking their priest? For 99% of the time they will have a far better answer from their priest than they will get here from what I’ve read. People come here initially for reassurance. Let them receive reasssurance and love.
Peace be with you all
Amen

Maybe I misread your post, but I think my dear friend you are confusing “obligations” with “authority”.

God forces no one to worship Him. In fact, is that not the basis of free will, that God allows me not to love Him and to live with the consequences of that action?

But, how do I love Him? How do I worship Him? Some may say “do what is in your heart, you don’t need anything written down”; but if that were to be the case what if my heart tells me to worship Him by sacrificing small animals and another worships by stealing and givning half of the money to the poor and another worships by following scripture literally and another, etc. They cannot all be pleasing to God - how does God want us to Worship Him?

Fortunately, He has told us. He has left us a Church with the authority to teach in His name and it is that authority that sets our obligations because when the Chruch speaks on faith or morals she speaks with the voice of God. Your obligation is not to the church but to the authority of God that she has.

I will be the first to admit that not every post on the forums is overflowing with the milk of human kindness, however when someone points out what the Church teaches and the consequences for not following that teaching, be it in or out of Church, they are performing a service by trying to ensure that we are aware of our obligation and duty to follow God’s wishes as expressed by His Church in His name (and they are performing a spiritual work or mercy - instructing the ignorant - as well).

 

[Luvtosew]

Authority sounds worst than obligation.

 

[Bob_Aliano]

Yes I agree we should woship God because we want to, not because we have to.

Ideally we would all attend Mass and pray the rosary and the myriad of other daily prayer routines available to us out of the purest love for God however, if we have folks attending Mass or praying for any lesser reasons so what? Anyone praying and attending Mass for any reason is far better than one who ignores the faith all together, there is always a chance for salvation through prayer. Lets get down from the Ivory Tower and encourage those people not berate them.

 

[Luvtosew]

Ideally we would all attend Mass and pray the rosary and the myriad of other daily prayer routines available to us out of the purest love for God however, if we have folks attending Mass or praying for any lesser reasons so what? Anyone praying and attending Mass for any reason is far better than one who ignores the faith all together, there is always a chance for salvation through prayer. Lets get down from the Ivory Tower and encourage those people not berate them.

who me, I agreed with the OP, I didn’t berate anyone. I don’t think anyone should do anything out of duty , obligatin or authority telling us to do it, we should do it becasue we want to.

 

[ConstantineTG]

I agree with you. Many have trivialized the faith to nothing but obligations, Canon Law and threats of being under pain of sin. The teaching need not be changed, but the approach definitely is. Most people don’t even understand why we do the things we do, except that if we don’t do it, its mortal sin. Thats not a good way to live the faith.

 

[rhiannonh]

I hate using the Bible to back up in argument but the reading for today (and really is the reading sent to my email today by youversion I think it is. as far as I am concerned so fits what am trying to say so will post it.

2Corinthians 9:7

Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Please please do not try to anaylise this in discussion for I haven’t posted it for that intention. Simply how I see what am trying to say and this may well explain it for those still in the dark.

 

[Bob_Aliano]

I hate using the Bible to back up in argument but the reading for today (and really is the reading sent to my email today by youversion I think it is. as far as I am concerned so fits what am trying to say so will post it.

2Corinthians 9:7

Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Please please do not try to anaylise this in discussion for I haven’t posted it for that intention. Simply how I see what am trying to say and this may well explain it for those still in the dark.

Oh well, I guess if one is not devout in the Biblical sense one should just give up. Why keep attending Mass just because it’s an obligation. It apparently makes no sense to persevere with the hope of a change of heart!

If I followed your advise I would never have returned to the Church!

 

[TheDoctor]

Authority sounds worst than obligation.

Not if the authority is that given by God and the obligation is to that authority. In effect, it is an obligation to God, is it not?

 

[TimothyH]

I hate using the Bible to back up in argument but the reading for today (and really is the reading sent to my email today by youversion I think it is. as far as I am concerned so fits what am trying to say so will post it.

2Corinthians 9:7

Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Please please do not try to anaylise this in discussion for I haven’t posted it for that intention. Simply how I see what am trying to say and this may well explain it for those still in the dark.

Why do you hate to use the Bible in an argument?

The Bible is God speaking directly to the Human race and to each of us individually, and it has done exactly that here and now.

I think this post is awsome and it needs no analysis.

-Tim-

 

[LilyM]

Oh well, I guess if one is not devout in the Biblical sense one should just give up. Why keep attending Mass just because it’s an obligation. It apparently makes no sense to persevere with the hope of a change of heart!

If I followed your advise I would never have returned to the Church!

Exactly. Any person who has been married for any length of time will tell you that there are days - or weeks or even longer - where one does not ‘feel’ love, or even like, for one’s spouse.

The ones with successful marriages will probably tell you that the shortest road to disaster is to give up doing the things you normally do with your spouse, the things that express your love, at those times when you’re not ‘feeling it’. Instead, some would advocate the Dr Phil approach of ‘fake it till you make it’. Feelings influence behaviour, but the reverse is often also true.

Think of the man saying to Christ ‘Lord, I believe, help my unbelief!’ At one and the same time he acknowledged that he was ‘less than’ in his spiritual life, and also that he was determined to persevere along his path, trusting that Christ would supply where his human weakness was lacking.

 

[rhiannonh]

Oh well, I guess if one is not devout in the Biblical sense one should just give up. Why keep attending Mass just because it’s an obligation. It apparently makes no sense to persevere with the hope of a change of heart!

If I followed your advise I would never have returned to the Church!

Ah but I think you may be just being a little flippant here because over the last 4 month due to my own mental health issues I have just kept plodding along. Not out of duty or out of obligation, but because I believe and love God. If someone had told me I should because its my obligation to then I may well have given up. I have been able to live in hope it get better. It is getting better. If I had done it because of obligation, then hope wouldn’t be there. Just robotic. God didn’t make us as robots but he made us so we are free to serve and love him.

 

[rhiannonh]

Why do you hate to use the Bible in an argument?

The Bible is God speaking directly to the Human race and to each of us individually, and it has done exactly that here and now.

I think this post is awsome and it needs no analysis.

-Tim-

Thank you
Just that people have abused it in argument that often believing that their argument holds because there is scripture to back it up, not really realising that if we look deeply enough then there is scripture to back up any argument going, literally.