Observations and questions about Justice Scalia's funeral mass

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Perhaps Justice Scalia and/or Fr. Scalia felt that an OF funeral liturgy would be more accessible to - and thus a more effective witness and teaching moment for - the many who would be watching on television, Catholics who have only experienced the OF, and non-Catholics alike.
I’m not going to argue that the OF with a large audience comes across better on TV than the EF. But know that Senator Ted Kennedy’s funeral Mass was also presented in similar fashion. Many others as well. Whether a more private Mass (with the same sermon AND perhaps more comment) would have been more effective I don’t know, but certainly the idea shouldn’t have been dismissed quite as quickly IMO.
 
What are the different “types” of funeral liturgies? What would have been the difference?
If the funeral had been celebrated in the Extraordinary Form, rather than the Ordinary Form, it would have been in Latin, with black vestments, a black pall, and the priest would have faced in the same direction as the congregation rather than facing the congregation.

The liturgy itself would have been significantly different (for example, there would not have been an offertory procession with the family bringing up the ciboria) but I couldn’t tell you exactly what the differences would have been other than those cited above. It’s been 50 years since the last time I attended Mass in the EF – which you might have heard/read referred to as the “Latin Mass” or “Tridentine Mass”.

In this case Ordinary means the usual way and Extraordinary means in the way that Mass was celebrated prior to 1964-65.
 
If the funeral had been celebrated in the Extraordinary Form, rather than the Ordinary Form, it would have been in Latin, with black vestments, a black pall, and the priest would have faced in the same direction as the congregation.

The liturgy itself would have been significantly different but I couldn’t tell you exactly what the differences would have been other than those cited above.

In this case Ordinary means the usual way and Extraordinary means in the way that Mass was celebrated prior to 1964-65.
Thank You!
 
To those (like me) who are bothered by the fact that the funeral Mass wasn’t in the rite he normally attended, Fr. Z suggests strongly to make known your own funeral intentions in your will.

wdtprs.com/blog/2016/02/fr-scalias-sermon-at-justice-scalias-mass-death-and-your-funeral-plans
I’m not going to argue that the OF with a large audience comes across better on TV than the EF. But know that Senator Ted Kennedy’s funeral Mass was also presented in similar fashion. Many others as well. Whether a more private Mass (with the same sermon AND perhaps more comment) would have been more effective I don’t know, but certainly the idea shouldn’t have been dismissed quite as quickly IMO.
I’m just wondering why it bothers you and why do you think that the idea of having the Mass offered in the EF was quickly dismissed. Do you have some inner circle knowledge on this or are you just making assumptions?
 
If the funeral had been celebrated in the Extraordinary Form, rather than the Ordinary Form, it would have been in Latin, with black vestments, a black pall, and the priest would have faced in the same direction as the congregation rather than facing the congregation.

The liturgy itself would have been significantly different (for example, there would not have been an offertory procession with the family bringing up the ciboria) but I couldn’t tell you exactly what the differences would have been other than those cited above. It’s been 50 years since the last time I attended Mass in the EF – which you might have heard/read referred to as the “Latin Mass” or “Tridentine Mass”.

In this case Ordinary means the usual way and Extraordinary means in the way that Mass was celebrated prior to 1964-65.
Spot on. The EF also offers a more solemn form of the Mass, such as a Solemn Requiem or even a Pontifical Requiem Mass, where the bishop is the celebrant. You’re right about the black vestments as well. Even servers wore black collars and black sashes.
 
To those (like me) who are bothered by the fact that the funeral Mass wasn’t in the rite he normally attended, Fr. Z suggests strongly to make known your own funeral intentions in your will.

wdtprs.com/blog/2016/02/fr-scalias-sermon-at-justice-scalias-mass-death-and-your-funeral-plans
Justice Scalia’s love and respect for the Latin Mass are well known; however, he regularly attended Mass in both languages. I saw him often at “Old St. Mary’s” in D.C. where Masses are offered, and always with great reverence, in English and in Latin. He attended both – depending upon his schedule, I suppose. I think it is a stretch to speak of the rite he “normally attended” as if it was exclusive or in conflict with the rite that, perhaps, the grieving “normally attended.” But, I do agree, make your wishes known ahead of time (bearing in mind that, unless you have it all set up, the dead don’t ultimately get a vote and it is the hands of others).
 
DO NOT “PUT IT IN THE WILL” – THE WILL WON’T BE SEEN UNTIL AFTER THE FUNERAL.

You can make arrangements for burial/cremation with whatever funeral home you prefer, and they will give you documents that you can copy and give to your immediate family so they will know THIS is what you want done.

It may also be possible to make arrangements with your parish church – I’d check with the parish office or your priest.
But if it’s not part of the will, how binding is it? One can always keep a copy of the will before it gets officially read. They make provisions for pets so why not funeral arrangements?
 
I saw clips of this and found the music to be absolutely dreadful. The choir was unimpressive, the congregation did not sing the hymn, and having a soprano sing into a microphone does not create a very dignified sound or sight. I am surprised that more effort was not made to make this a more fitting liturgical event.
 
Honestly, when I’m dead, I’m dead. My soul is gone from my body and judged by our dear Merciful Saviour.

What kind of funeral arrangements are made by those left behind will not mean one thing to me at that point.

I don’t care what happens to my body after I die, or what kind of Mass is arranged for me. All I ask though is that others remember to pray for me and, if possible, have Masses offered for me. Just in case I don’t go straight to heaven. :heaven::angel1::harp::heaven:
 
I saw clips of this and found the music to be absolutely dreadful. The choir was unimpressive, the congregation did not sing the hymn, and having a soprano sing into a microphone does not create a very dignified sound or sight. ** I am surprised that more effort was not made to make this a more fitting liturgical event.**
And I’m shocked by your comment! His son is a priest, and a wonderful Catholic priest too.
Justice Scalia’s funeral was more Catholic than most I’ve seen the past few decades.
 
And I’m shocked by your comment! His son is a priest, and a wonderful Catholic priest too.
Justice Scalia’s funeral was more Catholic than most I’ve seen the past few decades.
Why are you shocked by my comment? I can only judge from my own experience. I can only surmise from your comment that you haven’t experienced a very high standard of liturgy and music at the masses you have attended.
 
Why are you shocked by my comment? I can only judge from my own experience. I can only surmise from your comment that you haven’t experienced a very high standard of liturgy and music at the masses you have attended.
You would surmise wrong. 🙂
 
But if it’s not part of the will, how binding is it? One can always keep a copy of the will before it gets officially read. They make provisions for pets so why not funeral arrangements?
It’s binding because you PAY the funeral home – you choose burial or cremation, you specify where you want the service held (my parish church NOT the funeral home), you pick out your casket or urn, mass cards, etc. I firmly believe that everyone should do this sort of planning, it would spare their families a great deal of trouble.

I’m going to ask my priest if it’s possible to pre-plan a funeral service. I realize there may be some constraints, but I’m of the opinion it does no harm to ask.
 
I saw clips of this and found the music to be absolutely dreadful. The choir was unimpressive, the congregation did not sing the hymn, and having a soprano sing into a microphone does not create a very dignified sound or sight. I am surprised that more effort was not made to make this a more fitting liturgical event.
The choir and the soloists belong in the choir loft – they’re singing to God NOT the congregation. I really loathe this tendency to put the cantor at the ambo, rather than in the loft where he/she belongs – the hymns are supposed to be part of the offering of the service.

We just got a new music director in our parish and he’s doing all of these, and I’m disgusted.
 
It’s binding because you PAY the funeral home – you choose burial or cremation, you specify where you want the service held (my parish church NOT the funeral home), you pick out your casket or urn, mass cards, etc. I firmly believe that everyone should do this sort of planning, it would spare their families a great deal of trouble.
If you pre-pay a funeral home, yes, then it becomes an enforceable contract. When my mother died, we also bought a plot for my father next to hers, so that 24 years later the cemetery honored that, as we went through another funeral home for him.

In these days of personal parishes and such, the legally binding stuff can be somewhat tricky, given that things change so much over 30-40 years.
 
And I’m shocked by your comment! His son is a priest, and a wonderful Catholic priest too.
Justice Scalia’s funeral was more Catholic than most I’ve seen the past few decades.
Yes, but in fairness to LL, have you seen any in the U.K.?
 
And I’m shocked by your comment! His son is a priest, and a wonderful Catholic priest too.
Justice Scalia’s funeral was more Catholic than most I’ve seen the past few decades.
In LL’s defense, have you seen funerals in the U.K.? Princess Di’s funeral was probably more Catholic than most you’ve seen.
 
Magdalene2013, I know the that under ordinary cucomstances it is recommended tha the choir be in loft, but at the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception the choir is alway in the position that you saw it. The choir at St. Peter’s in Rome is also behind the altar. It may be that in such large buildings, the lag in the sound would be so great the the choir and those would never be singing together. ( I remember that at my wedding, and it just about drove me nuts.) I am sure that the hymns were picked by the family. The first two were popular traditional hymns, and the last one was a patriotic hymn which I thought was very appropriate for the funeral of a public servant. It appeared to me that the congregation was singing. The television microphones were not set to pick it up.
 
I saw clips of this and found the music to be absolutely dreadful. The choir was unimpressive, the congregation did not sing the hymn, and having a soprano sing into a microphone does not create a very dignified sound or sight. I am surprised that more effort was not made to make this a more fitting liturgical event.
I have to admit that I would be pleasantly surprised to hear the congregation sing at a funeral. Doesn’t happen much at my parish.

That said what was the Offertory chant?
 
I have to admit that I would be pleasantly surprised to hear the congregation sing at a funeral. Doesn’t happen much at my parish.

That said what was the Offertory chant?
I was referring to the entrance hymn, the beautiful and appropriate “Oh God, our help in ages past” sung to St Anne’s which surely is a hymn that most people knows and should be able to sing when it has been selected for a funeral.
 
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