Observations on the SSPX

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I seem to notice that the SSPX tends to gravitate towards rural areas. This can be shown by St Mary’s,KS, Post Falls,ID and in their Georgia Mass center among other places.

Why is it that they do not gravitate towards city centers and or their suburbs? They can attract more people to their Mass centers by doing that then being in less populated areas.

I have also read that certain people in the SSPX seem to advocate for a “Back to the Land”, among them Bishop Williamson and Archbishop Lefebvre., advocated for that sort of thing. Could this be one reason? What is their rational for a return to the land.

What is your opinion on that?
 
a83192 said:
I seem to notice that the SSPX tends to gravitate towards rural areas. This can be shown by St Mary’s,KS, Post Falls,ID and in their Georgia Mass center among other places.
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Certainly you aren’t talking about Roswell, Georgia, USA there are you?

Otherwise, good question. In Europe they are usually in cities, although not always in the city centers, as it is much cheaper to acquire land, buildings, etc, outside of the center.

Maybe the price of land is a factor in the USA as well? I suspect that if they were offered a free Church in the center of some northeastern US city, they’d probably take it.
 
a83192 said:
I seem to notice that the SSPX tends to gravitate towards rural areas. This can be shown by St Mary’s,KS, Post Falls,ID and in their Georgia Mass center among other places.

Why is it that they do not gravitate towards city centers and or their suburbs? They can attract more people to their Mass centers by doing that then being in less populated areas.

I have also read that certain people in the SSPX seem to advocate for a “Back to the Land”, among them Bishop Williamson and Archbishop Lefebvre., advocated for that sort of thing. Could this be one reason? What is their rational for a return to the land.

What is your opinion on that?
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This is a great question. From my experience, this is caused by the back-to-the-land movement and perennialist ideology of Bishop Williamson who trained most of the US SSPX priests. I published a paper on Bishop Williamson and it discusses his underlying ideology, which is not Catholic. jsantisemitism.org/pdf/jsa_1-2.pdf (Scroll down to page 233.)
 
The point about the cost of land is probably a contributing factor, as is the fact that it is probably easier for the SSPX to appeal to its target population in more rural areas, than it is in large cities. Liberalism is generally found in greater concentrations in metropolitan areas, and less so in rural areas. That, of course, is not an iron-clad rule, but it tends to be true more often than not.

That said, a review of their website does include listings of chapels in many metro areas, including Atlanta (Roswell is a suburb), Phoenix, Los Angeles, Denver, the Miami-Fort Lauderdale–West Palm Beach corridor, Orlando, Chicago, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Boston, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Kansas City, Las Vegas, New York City, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Portland, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Houston, Seattle and Milwaukee. In other words, approximately half of all SSPX venues in the USA are in large cities.
 
Thing is, the SSPX would purchase closed Catholic churches in many metro areas, but most diocese wind up selling them to Protestants instead.

Sad
 
jcpryor said:
This is a great question. From my experience, this is caused by the back-to-the-land movement and perennialist ideology of Bishop Williamson who trained most of the US SSPX priests. I published a paper on Bishop Williamson and it discusses his underlying ideology, which is not Catholic. jsantisemitism.org/pdf/jsa_1-2.pdf (Scroll down to page 233.)
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Well I was confirmed by Bishop Williamson 😃

But then, I am speaking of the SSPX in the US mostly.

Bishop WIlliamson is totally Catholic.
 
I suppose that the SSPX attracts people from an about 50 miles radius, so practically the location is not so much important. In other hand the life is much more enjoyable outside of the big cities, and also less expensive either the property and to live. Above that there is no parking problem.
 
jcpryor said:
This is a great question. From my experience, this is caused by the back-to-the-land movement and perennialist ideology of Bishop Williamson who trained most of the US SSPX priests. I published a paper on Bishop Williamson and it discusses his underlying ideology, which is not Catholic. jsantisemitism.org/pdf/jsa_1-2.pdf (Scroll down to page 233.)
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I read your paper with interest. To the extent you argue that Williamson’s ideology is not Catholic, I agreed. To the extent you argued that distributism, or the Catholic land movement is not Catholic, I disagreed.

It is hardly surprising that non-Catholics take up non-Catholic positions; indeed, it has strikes me as peculiarly “modern” that people seem shocked when their opponents actually oppose them. Perhaps, in a post-religious, or post agricultural, society, “conspiracy” seems to explain what strikes them as alarming: that someone else thinks differently.

Any old group is easy to paint as a conspiracy, for the plain reason that it has been around long enough for a series of things to coincide. One supposes that The Church of What’s Happening Now could be a conspiracy, it just would not be a particularly involved one.

For those who prefer rural life, the preference is less a retreat from a conspiracy, but more a return to greater autonomy and freedom. The farm also operates on the principles of common sense, which is a gladsome relief from what prevails in many contemporary industries, including law.

However, one imagines that there are those who will perceive a conspiracy even in this.

Cheers!
 
a83192 said:
I seem to notice that the SSPX tends to gravitate towards rural areas. This can be shown by St Mary’s,KS, Post Falls,ID and in their Georgia Mass center among other places.

Why is it that they do not gravitate towards city centers and or their suburbs? They can attract more people to their Mass centers by doing that then being in less populated areas.

I have also read that certain people in the SSPX seem to advocate for a “Back to the Land”, among them Bishop Williamson and Archbishop Lefebvre., advocated for that sort of thing. Could this be one reason? What is their rational for a return to the land.

What is your opinion on that?
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This isn’t totally true. The SSPX here in Texas have locations in Houston and San Antonio that I’ve been to. Quite urban if you ask me 😛
 
Maybe no one who lives in urban areas like NYC would be caught dead in clothes like this. 🙂
 
a83192 said:
I seem to notice that the SSPX tends to gravitate towards rural areas. This can be shown by St Mary’s,KS, Post Falls,ID and in their Georgia Mass center among other places.

Why is it that they do not gravitate towards city centers and or their suburbs? They can attract more people to their Mass centers by doing that then being in less populated areas.

I have also read that certain people in the SSPX seem to advocate for a “Back to the Land”, among them Bishop Williamson and Archbishop Lefebvre., advocated for that sort of thing. Could this be one reason? What is their rational for a return to the land.

What is your opinion on that?
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Post Falls is rural?
 
TrueLight said:
Maybe no one who lives in urban areas like NYC would be caught dead in clothes like this. 🙂
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We live in a world that revels in immodesty. Lets be generous toward those that try to be modest. There are many traditionalist women who manage to avoid pants and still remain fashionable.

Note: I don’t have a problem with a woman in pants, but I also don’t have a problem with a woman in a dress.
 
TrueLight said:
Maybe no one who lives in urban areas like NYC would be caught dead in clothes like this. 🙂
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Well, the girl, no. But what, you don’t think that dude looks guidoish enough for NYC with his black-on-black shirt/suit combo, slicked-back hair, and tie clip? He looks like he just popped out of the Holland Tunnel from Jersey.
 
Here is an observation I have made, maybe incorrectly, where there is an SSPX Chapel, there is also a FSSP nearby. Sometimes I think some bishops only invited the FSSP in to get people back from the SSPX, but then I know the FSSP was in Oklahoma City before the SSPX was, thus debunking my theory…I hate being wrong.
 
OldYoungGuy said:
Here is an observation I have made, maybe incorrectly, where there is an SSPX Chapel, there is also a FSSP nearby. Sometimes I think some bishops only invited the FSSP in to get people back from the SSPX, but then I know the FSSP was in Oklahoma City before the SSPX was, thus debunking my theory…I hate being wrong.
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I am near a FSSP chapel while there isn’t any SSPX chapels for hundreds of miles. This said it does seem that often the FSSP sets up shop where the SSPX is present.
 
JaMc said:
Post Falls is rural?
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I know right? at least it has 26,000 vs their chapel in New Plymouth Id in the southern part of the state, at poulation 1,000. If you are going for a rural location it doesnt get much more rural than New Plymouth…
 
jcpryor said:
This is a great question. From my experience, this is caused by the back-to-the-land movement and perennialist ideology of Bishop Williamson who trained most of the US SSPX priests. I published a paper on Bishop Williamson and it discusses his underlying ideology, which is not Catholic. jsantisemitism.org/pdf/jsa_1-2.pdf (Scroll down to page 233.)
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I don’t see the evidence that His Excellency is anything but Catholic. Despite the name, Traditional Catholicism and the Traditionalism/Perrenialism of Guenon and Evola are completely unrelated. Traditional Catholicism is simply Catholicism which rejects the modern, un-Catholic, errors.

You are trying to find ways in which to calumniate Bp. Williamson by attaching this false label to him. But the points you use to do that are so vague as to be useless. For example, you refer to a criticism of certain technologies and a “back to the land” mentality as “Perrenialist”, do you reject all “back to the land” movements as such, such as Fr. Vincent McNabb? Of course, then you go on to attack Distributism as somehow connected to Julius Evola rather than to Popes Leo XIII and Pius XI.

Over and over, you give descriptions of ideas and movements that you detest and then try to somehow link them to Bp. Williamson or other traditional Catholics, such as those at IHS Press. But the connections are not clear, your quotes from Bp. Williamson are usually not referenced (yes, there are footnotes for some things but other quotes are just hearsay), and you did not clearly support your thesis that Bp. Williamson is a crypto-Perennialist rather than an authentic Catholic. At least I think that was your thesis, it was more like a rambling conversation about various topics that you tried to tie together into a package to publish in a journal of “antisemitism”.

But where is your evidence that Bp. Williamson, the SSPX or Traditional Catholics in general are “antisemetic”? Simply juxtaposing descriptions of groups generally considered to be negative (such as the BNP) next to discussion of Bp. Williamson, the SSPX and Traditional Catholicism is not enough to actually draw a connection. All I see are calumnies without evidence, guilt by association.
 
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