Occult Items-what should I do with them?

[Rachel_1]

The sense of peace, even relief, you will feel when this stuff is gone will amaze you.

Well, I’m waiting to be able to call and figure out how to dispose of it all correctly before I do anything. Since we had this snowstorm last night and my husband didn’t go to work till super late today, I didn’t get a chance to call, which means, all the stuff is still here. I’m trusting God that I’ll be able to get it out when the time is right, when I know how to get rid of it right, and it won’t cause a huge fight or anything.

My husband is an atheist, and remains so today. None of my family are Catholic. I felt extremely lonely at this time you are at now. Now, at Mass I often sit with people who were in the same RCIA class as I was. Or, this time of year, I help out with the dismissal of the catechumens and so I sit with them. No one is alone in the Catholic Church, though I agree at times with a Catholic friend who says we often are alone, together.

I’m the only one in the RCIA class. I sometimes sit with my sponsor though (well, really just behind her).

One thing to keep in mind in this regards:

1637 In marriages with disparity of cult the Catholic spouse has a particular task: “For the unbelieving husband is consecrated through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is consecrated through her husband.” It is a great joy for the Christian spouse and for the Church if this “consecration” should lead to the free conversion of the other spouse to the Christian faith. Sincere married love, the humble and patient practice of the family virtues, and perseverance in prayer can prepare the non-believing spouse to accept the grace of conversion.

1 Cor: 14
For the unbelieving husband is made holy through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy through the brother. Otherwise your children would be unclean, whereas in fact they are holy.

 

[Rachel_1]

A medal with your patron Saint would be a good item as well. Maybe your sponsor might get it for you? By the way Rachel, have you decided which Saint will be your patron Saint? You might have mentioned this in another post. Just curious. Continue to keep us updated.

lots of prayers still going up

Nope, I haven’t mentioned this yet, but I have it narrowed down to two, not saying till I decide
Thank you all for your prayers!!

 

[kenofken]

Holy salt or exorcism salt (two different substance properties) are not of the occult. They are sacramentals of the Church. Holy water is another common one. There is also holy oil, etc. They are each used for different situations to exorcise. They are sacramentals used which, by the Power of God, through the Church are powerful tools against demons.

*"Burning would be fine if the objects weren’t “charged” or in our terms possessed by a demon or several demons. Demons can possess objects, just as they can possess living creatures, including humans. If you burn the object the demon possesses, you are burning the place that is containing the demon, thus allowing it to escape and possibly harass you later. These “influences” to lean toward evil are demons. It’s not in the mind. Ask any exorcist.

Ridding it by burying it with holy salt is a method that has been used much over the years. It is effective against the demon, because the items have a holy sacramental upon them underground. The demons won’t be released as in fire.

Just throwing it away in the garbage, etc., could also be disastrous. Other than the fact that others can pick it up, and possibly become possessed, etc, the items can return to your house. Don’t doubt me on this as I know that this occurs."*

Perhaps we need to retain a Hobbit to cast them into the fires of Mount Doom. Only then will Earth be free of this terrible shadow of evil of Rachel’s New Age brickabrack! I’m sorry, but the silliness and superstition has really gotten hip-wader deep in here. (And this coming from a guy who does a full moon ritual each month). I doth think some of you protest too much. By that I mean that some people are Catholic because Wicca isn’t pagan enough for them.

 

[Dennis2R]

Rachel, I followed your thread with great interest. I recommend a book, written by someone who went through exactly what you are experiencing, published in 2005. Moira Noonan wrote Ransomed From Darkness and it is her conversion story, including what she did to achieve total peace, following 25 years in the lifestyle of the occult. She describes exactly what you talk about, in your thread. Moira is Catholic, she worked with Catholic priests, and today she is “clean.” I am praying for you.

God Bless you,
Dennis2R

 

[Adonis]

As an occultist I might be able to lend some assistance.It is very possible that you are still giving these items power by believing they have power. Stop believing they’re powerful and they will stop affecting you.

 

[jen_fla]

hi rachel!

hi rachel.

i’ve been following this thread and wanted to pipe in, but it took me awhile to find a book i had packed that i am certain can help you. it’s called An Exorcist Tells His Story by Father Amorth.

it is not a book i’d recommend to someone who isn’t really in touch with the spirit world as many of the things Father Amorth say seem sooo very hard to believe, but once you have witnessed the preternatural and supernatural some things he says start to fall in place and make sense. i wouldn’t say i was really into the occult, but when i was a young teen i did dabble in many dark areas that are forbidden and i too can vouch for unnatural incidents that most people would never believe unless they had seen it for themselves.

Father Amorth is the leading exorcist of Rome so for those Catholics on this forum that have not gone through any of these events and say such things as stuff is just stuff and that curses have no power, it’s just superstitious nonsense, well clearly they are going against what this priest believes. and you are correct in that there is nothing inherently wrong with the material item, but with the “spirit(s)” that is attached.

i am not sure if you can read it online, but there is a chapter called “The Curse” and it has much useful advice.

basically to sum it up he says to sprinkle the items with Holy water and burn them in the open and then take the ashes and throw them into running water like a stream. for the items that can’t be burned throw them again into running water like the sewer (personally i’d smash them up and then do this, but check with your priest). he says it’s very important to pray while the items are burning invoking the protection of the Blood of Christ.

again, VERY important to note that he emphasizes the importance of blessing the objects with Holy water and praying. your hands must be washed with Holy water when you are done. if you do not bless the items and pray then all of this can backfire, like some other posters have pointed out. the problem is not burning the items, but to make sure prayer and blessing with Holy water is not neglected.

i really wish another caf member had read your post or that she could have contacted you. her story can be found here. unfortunately i don’t think she ever made it back to Mass or RCIA. please pray for her too.

i too can vouch from personal experience that the closer you get to God and His Church the more you are messed with. however, looking back i know as do most people that have gone through this, these are incidents for our benefit, to bring us much closer to God. sometimes we are just too comfortable in this material world, that we need to be jarred awake to the hidden world that is also reality. denying this part of existence is truly the illusion we will all wake up to at some point.

and PLEASE tell the priest that your husband is thinking of bringing a satanist into the Church. if he is the real deal he will know Who the Eucharist truly is and there have been many accounts of satanists stealing hosts from the Holy Catholic Church.

man, i wish you lived near me so we could talk. i am in new age-ville and the spiritual pollution here is so thick. there is a woman that i had a very bad reaction to (fought with her like cats and dogs the first time we hung out)… and she is a self proclaimed witch, yet she has also been to all the satanic churches as well. she was going off about putting a curse on some woman that ratted out her husband for stealing. i pray for her often and now feel so sorry for her as her upbringing has much to do with the choices she has made. the dark oppression around her can be noticed by anyone with eyes to see. anyway, it would be nice to have a friend around that gets this kind of stuff.

well at any rate, i hope that book helps you. it’s all part of the beautiful, intelligent and mystical Church we are part of.

praying for you and your husband. :hug1:

peace,
jen

 

[jen_fla]

As an occultist I might be able to lend some assistance.It is very possible that you are still giving these items power by believing they have power. Stop believing they’re powerful and they will stop affecting you.

if you honestly believe what you just wrote then please tell me why you are still in the occult? i am puzzled that you do not drop your occult practices and go work in secular psychology. you present quite the contradiction. :hypno:

 

[Rachel_1]

Perhaps we need to retain a Hobbit to cast them into the fires of Mount Doom. Only then will Earth be free of this terrible shadow of evil of Rachel’s New Age brickabrack! I’m sorry, but the silliness and superstition has really gotten hip-wader deep in here. (And this coming from a guy who does a full moon ritual each month). I doth think some of you protest too much. By that I mean that some people are Catholic because Wicca isn’t pagan enough for them.

I’m sorry that you seem bothered by my question and what I’m going through right now, so much so, that you feel the need to degrade me and others. I hope you find peace in your life, and I will pray for you.

 

[Rachel_1]

Rachel, I followed your thread with great interest. I recommend a book, written by someone who went through exactly what you are experiencing, published in 2005. Moira Noonan wrote Ransomed From Darkness and it is her conversion story, including what she did to achieve total peace, following 25 years in the lifestyle of the occult. She describes exactly what you talk about, in your thread. Moira is Catholic, she worked with Catholic priests, and today she is “clean.” I am praying for you.

God Bless you,
Dennis2R

Thank you Dennis

 

[Rachel_1]

hi jen!

hi jen.

(sorry, had to duplicate like you did lol)
I tried to respond earlier and something happened to the site, so I can’t even remember what I wanted to say, so I’ll reply in sections and maybe it will make me remember lol.

hi rachel!

hi rachel.

i’ve been following this thread and wanted to pipe in, but it took me awhile to find a book i had packed that i am certain can help you. it’s called An Exorcist Tells His Story by Father Amorth.

Thank you, I’ll see if I can find it online or something.

i really wish another caf member had read your post or that she could have contacted you. her story can be found here. unfortunately i don’t think she ever made it back to Mass or RCIA. please pray for her too.

Ok, I’ll go look at that thread now that the site is working, and I’ll pray for her too.

and PLEASE tell the priest that your husband is thinking of bringing a satanist into the Church. if he is the real deal he will know Who the Eucharist truly is and there have been many accounts of satanists stealing hosts from the Holy Catholic Church.

I already told him that I was scared that he would bring his friend. Father didn’t say anything though.
I know one thing, if his friend tries to steal the Host, I’m tackling him right there in Church and laying him out. (I know, not a very Christian thing to say, but that’s probably what will happen).
We (my husband and I) have a meeting with my Priest in just over a week, I’ll make sure I bring it up again. I also told my husband that if E (his friend) is coming, he had better be nice, well mannered, and behave as if their friendship depended on it, because if E does anything, I will not only be very reactionary at the Church, but I’ll run him off if he ever comes to the house again. (as you can tell, I’m super nervous about his friend going).

man, i wish you lived near me so we could talk. i am in new age-ville and the spiritual pollution here is so thick. there is a woman that i had a very bad reaction to (fought with her like cats and dogs the first time we hung out)… and she is a self proclaimed witch, yet she has also been to all the satanic churches as well. she was going off about putting a curse on some woman that ratted out her husband for stealing. i pray for her often and now feel so sorry for her as her upbringing has much to do with the choices she has made. the dark oppression around her can be noticed by anyone with eyes to see. anyway, it would be nice to have a friend around that gets this kind of stuff.

Where are you at? I’m near Louisville, KY. I don’t have any Catholic friends at all, except my sponsor, but she’s a lot older than me and we don’t just ‘hang out’.
As for the woman, I know when I was a witch and all my pagan friends, we believed in what is called the ‘rule of 3’, kind of like the golden rule, whatever you send out comes back at you… so why would you send out curses when they are going to come back 3fold? I never got those kind of people ::shaking my head::

 

[adstrinity]

OOOH! I have a possible idea! Since the wand and the “spirit message board” or whatever it’s called, is so intricately detailed, is there a museum or something you could donate this stuff to, maybe even after it’s been exorcized? People can enjoy the way the objects look, maybe learn something about this section of this religion of human history, but, not be able to utilize the objects.

 

[Rachel_1]

OOOH! I have a possible idea! Since the wand and the “spirit message board” or whatever it’s called, is so intricately detailed, is there a museum or something you could donate this stuff to, maybe even after it’s been exorcized? People can enjoy the way the objects look, maybe learn something about this section of this religion of human history, but, not be able to utilize the objects.

Not around here there isn’t… does anyone else have opinions on something like this?

 

[EnchantedEve]

Gods not attacking Rachel, but someone far less pleasant might be. That type doesnt like being told to clear off. Some folks imagine they can see the demonic under every second blade of grass, but dealing in the occult is asking for trouble. The “junk” isn`t necessarily “just” junk. Fr. Corapi could tell you a few things.

Burning everything that can be burnt sounds like a great idea.

Rachel:
Could you sneak in a priest to give your house a blessing?

Bob:
Got a nasty feeling i saw something similar. Disturbing to think about it.

Rachel, I agree with this poster. My family and I thought we were jinxed and had a priest bless the house with holy water. We burned candles with images of Our Lord and the Saints to keep evil at bay. We also said the mini-excorcism of St. Michael, approved and recommended for monthly use by Pope Leo XIII in 1911. You can say it to yourself without a priest. You can find this prayer in the Angelus Press 1962 Roman Missal.

It was incredible the weight that came off of our house, it even seemed brighter. Our personal blessings increased as well. The evil in the world is real, so I would recommend acting right away. Whatever weight is troubling you, it is probably also keeping a veil over your husband. Pray the St. Michael prayer and wear a St. Benedict Medal to keep evil away. Even in the modern world, evil is very much alive and well. Be safe, and God be with you!

 

[Syele]

Rachel, I agree with this poster. My family and I thought we were jinxed and had a priest bless the house with holy water. We burned candles with images of Our Lord and the Saints to keep evil at bay. We also said the mini-excorcism of St. Michael, approved and recommended for monthly use by Pope Leo XIII in 1911. You can say it to yourself without a priest. You can find this prayer in the Angelus Press 1962 Roman Missal.

It was incredible the weight that came off of our house, it even seemed brighter. Our personal blessings increased as well. The evil in the world is real, so I would recommend acting right away. Whatever weight is troubling you, it is probably also keeping a veil over your husband. Pray the St. Michael prayer and wear a St. Benedict Medal to keep evil away. Even in the modern world, evil is very much alive and well. Be safe, and God be with you!

I agree too. Since bad spirits come in when welcomed in, accidentally or otherwise, you should renounce your welcome to them and then get rid of the items that are associated with your previous welcome to them. Pray fervently. EnchantedEve and SunnaB16 have good advice here.

 

[KEVIN_WILCOX]

Blessed salt, holy water and burying the objects in unconsecrated ground. Place a holy object over the burial site (e.g. blessed rosary or medal)

 

[jen_fla]

hi jen!

hi jen.

(sorry, had to duplicate like you did lol)
I tried to respond earlier and something happened to the site, so I can’t even remember what I wanted to say, so I’ll reply in sections and maybe it will make me remember lol.

Thank you, I’ll see if I can find it online or something.

Ok, I’ll go look at that thread now that the site is working, and I’ll pray for her too.

I already told him that I was scared that he would bring his friend. Father didn’t say anything though.
I know one thing, if his friend tries to steal the Host, I’m tackling him right there in Church and laying him out. (I know, not a very Christian thing to say, but that’s probably what will happen).
We (my husband and I) have a meeting with my Priest in just over a week, I’ll make sure I bring it up again. I also told my husband that if E (his friend) is coming, he had better be nice, well mannered, and behave as if their friendship depended on it, because if E does anything, I will not only be very reactionary at the Church, but I’ll run him off if he ever comes to the house again. (as you can tell, I’m super nervous about his friend going).

Where are you at? I’m near Louisville, KY. I don’t have any Catholic friends at all, except my sponsor, but she’s a lot older than me and we don’t just ‘hang out’.
As for the woman, I know when I was a witch and all my pagan friends, we believed in what is called the ‘rule of 3’, kind of like the golden rule, whatever you send out comes back at you… so why would you send out curses when they are going to come back 3fold? I never got those kind of people ::shaking my head::

ha, sorry about the double greetings. i was typing and realized my spelling was horrible so i typed it elsewhere and then pasted forgetting i already said hello!

you made me laugh when you said you’d tackle the guy. last year some guy that i see around town a lot and who has come up to me and my friend twice and sat very close to us and then started laughing under his breath like a freaking maniac followed me into Mass. i was SO ticked when i saw him come in. he put his hair up in two lil pony tail knots on the top of his head so they looked like horns. so i’m sitting there steaming, but also thinking well, maybe he was curious about what goes on in here or maybe by like some .00007% chance he actually could be Catholic, so i tried to calm down. but then he took out a toothpick and started picking at his teeth. he would sit when we would stand or kneel and was obviously being very disrespectful. well let me tell you i felt such a rage and it took all my self control not to go running up to him and seriously try to clock him. never mind the guy is way over 6 feet tall and could have snapped me in two. lets just say i need lots of prayers with the whole being gentle with others thing.

anyway, how much does your husband know about Catholic theology? he must know that satan is the enemy of the Church, so why would he be so disrespectful to bring him there? if E is a real luciferian your husband needs to understand what he is declaring by allowing him to be there. there is some truth and beauty to be found in all major religions except that one. and i don’t care if the satanists get together and feed the poor, their motives are not for the poor and if their motives genuinely are for the poor, then they don’t understand the religion they are following and are not true satanists.

i’ll pm you about where i’m at. and yeah, that woman knows about the rule of three. from all that i have seen and heard come out of her mouth, she just says witch, but really she is a satanist and not the anton lavey kind. she told me she’s been to the temple of set. barf.

praying for you, your husband and now this ding-a-ling E!

see how i am? please pray for me, because i am not a very good Christian when it comes to being kind to satanists although i have befriended an anton lavey one and i can say that after my constant ridiculing of how immature and stupid sounding the whole thing is, she has lost all interest and now is agnostic. i should take some lessons from you especially in how you responded to kenoflen. stay kind!

peace, rachel!

 

[Reuben_J]

Holy salt or exorcism salt (two different substance properties) are not of the occult. They are sacramentals of the Church. Holy water is another common one. There is also holy oil, etc. They are each used for different situations to exorcise. They are sacramentals used which, by the Power of God, through the Church are powerful tools against demons.

Burning would be fine if the objects weren’t “charged” or in our terms possessed by a demon or several demons. Demons can possess objects, just as they can possess living creatures, including humans. If you burn the object the demon possesses, you are burning the place that is containing the demon, thus allowing it to escape and possibly harass you later. These “influences” to lean toward evil are demons. It’s not in the mind. Ask any exorcist.

Ridding it by burying it with holy salt is a method that has been used much over the years. It is effective against the demon, because the items have a holy sacramental upon them underground. The demons won’t be released as in fire.

Just throwing it away in the garbage, etc., could also be disastrous. Other than the fact that others can pick it up, and possibly become possessed, etc, the items can return to your house. Don’t doubt me on this as I know that this occurs.

I just wanted not to do more than is necessary. Have no problem with blessed salt and other items in exorcism. But is not the most important thing is prayer? Prayer of deliverance or exorcism, depends on the case may be. As for the person concerned – repentance and renunciation. Satan has no place in you if you do not want him. If you reject him you have to reject all things that symbolize him. As for his power, the power of God is greater. And to maintain the new state of being without Satan’s interference and presence is a continuous new life of prayer and Sacraments, righteousness and belief in the Lordship of Jesus.

Someone mentioned the basic here. And is not that’s what it all about?
jen fla:

basically to sum it up he says to sprinkle the items with Holy water and burn them in the open and then take the ashes and throw them into running water like a stream. for the items that can’t be burned throw them again into running water like the sewer (personally i’d smash them up and then do this, but check with your priest). he says it’s very important to pray while the items are burning invoking the protection of the Blood of Christ.

again, VERY important to note that he emphasizes the importance of blessing the objects with Holy water and praying. your hands must be washed with Holy water when you are done. if you do not bless the items and pray then all of this can backfire, like some other posters have pointed out. the problem is not burning the items, but to make sure prayer and blessing with Holy water is not neglected.

 

[callmeChris]

Toss those evil items out. I am a sophomore in high school and I see many evil signs of the devil. The only thing you should trust in is the power of the Cross that is the ONLY thing around your neck and your home.

Items one should not have or wear:
Peace sign
Italian Horn,
bent cross,
ankh,
upside- down cross
Tarot cards
Ouija board
Pentagram
also DONT do the devil horn sign

And there are many others.

 

[DihydrogenOxide]

I just wanted not to do more than is necessary. Have no problem with blessed salt and other items in exorcism. But is not the most important thing is prayer? Prayer of deliverance or exorcism, depends on the case may be. As for the person concerned – repentance and renunciation. Satan has no place in you if you do not want him. If you reject him you have to reject all things that symbolize him. As for his power, the power of God is greater. And to maintain the new state of being without Satan’s interference and presence is a continuous new life of prayer and Sacraments, righteousness and belief in the Lordship of Jesus.

Someone mentioned the basic here. And is not that’s what it all about?

I would want to do all or more than is necessary to rid myself of it. A relative of mine had a terrible experience with ouija boards. Every time he tried to get rid of it, it appeared again within his apartment. You want to do everything you can to rid yourself of the demons.

Holy sacramentals are prayerful objects of the Church. They are ex opere operantis, or through the pious use of the user. Your prayerfulness and belief that God can rid you of evil by the use of the holy sacramentals is key.

Sure you can do deliverance prayers, but if the object itself is possessed, it may not help at all, and you don’t want to play around spiritually with a possessed item if you can just get rid of it.

Satan does have place if you want him there or not, because we are within his realm, on earth. For instance, my house has demonic manifestations that the parish priest is trying rid us of at this point in time. They came about because of spiritualist ritualists who were renting before we moved into the place. They willed that the demonic should dwell in our house. Sure, the power of God is greater, but the power of mine is not greater. Jesus, in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar is greater, which is why we are having Masses said. Sacramentals would not drive them out, nor would prayer of many prayer warriors, nor would casting out prayers by the priest.

Repentance and renunciation are the first step, but you can’t remove a living being by repentance and renunciation. Try removing a horse from your kitchen by rebuking it. You can’t. Someone has opened the door to allowing the demon into the objects, thus it will cling to it.

This use of holy salt and burying the objects has been found to work very well in keeping the demons within the objects at bay. Exorcist priests have recommended this. Since I believe they have greater experience than I, I figured I would suggest it to her.
She will be

 

[Maria65]

Rachel, I do not doubt you at all about what you’ve experienced - or anyone who says they have had encounters with demons or other supernatural beings. Years ago, before I returned to the Church, I had gotten involved in a Native American spirituality group and I encountered some pretty weird phenomena I still can’t explain, and which was also seen/heard/felt by other people there in the group.

I have also lived in a haunted apartment, and the office where I work currently is also haunted (it is a converted old house), although, fortunately, those entities seem to be non-malignant.

I just finished reading a book called “The Gurus, the Young Man, and Elder Paisios” written by a Greek man who was involved in the occult and Hinduism and his encounters with a saintly monk on Mount Athos (Greek Orthodox). He went through a lot of torment from demons as he tried to leave the occult to embrace Christianity, which he ultimately did. VERY fascinating book!