Occult items?

[beeliner]

Some music is also known to have demons attached to those songs.

Now you’ve wetted my interest!

Can you name some of the songs?

This should be good!

 

[CEM5]

CEM, my opinion, you are free to take it or leave it, is that you are putting too much stock in those items. You are thinking too much about them. Just throw them out, and pray to God, and ask Him in the name of His son to protect and guide you and your home from such things. Ultimately, you may want to do what someone suggested earlier, and that is to consult with a priest in order to put this matter to rest!

Heavenly Father, in the name of Your son Jesus Christ, I ask you to send your Holy Spirit to CEM, and help CEM put this situatuion to rest and in the past. Thank You Father for showing CEM Your Holy Light. Thank You Father for sending CEM and those like CEM Your Holy Spirit for blessings and guidance into Your Light. Amen.

Thank you NiceMimi for your prayers - I always welcome prayer.

Now, to clarify: I do not think too much about “them” (occult items) – I do not have any. I can tell you that my son’s girlfriend (wife now) had some occult items and they did consult with our Priest and he took them out of their home, and blessed their home. Many strange things were happening to them prior to this turning away and discarding what they thought were harmless items. The occult is real. It invites the oppressive presence of demons into ones life.

Have you ever read the book: An Exorcist Tells His Story, by Father Gabriele Amorth?

Fr. Amorth, the renowned chief exorcist of Rome, tells of his many experiences in his ministry as an exorcist doing battle with Satan to relieve the great suffering of many people in the grip of evil.

In this book it clearly explains that curses are real – they “invoke evil, and the origin of all evil is demonic” (paritial quote from pg. 130). Sorcerers are real, spells are real, and so on.

Believe me, we have consulted with Priests and they know too, how real these things are.

Why do you think God gave us Priests who can exorcise demons and fight evil for us? The Bible is clear about us not trying to fight Satan by ourselves.

blessings,
CEM

 

[CEM5]

Now you’ve wetted my interest!

Can you name some of the songs?

This should be good!

There were some that I had heard of - heavy Rock and heavy metal, but I never paid too much attention, because I have never liked any of those styles of music, and would never listen to them, so I didn’t feel the need to write them down. However, I did a quick google, and I am sure you could probably find more if you searched, but this is what I found for your perusal:

Satanic backmasking

Although the Satanic backmasking controversy involved mainly classic rock songs whose authors denied any intent to promote Satanism, backmasking has been used by heavy metal bands to deliberately insert messages in their lyrics or imagery. Bands have utilized Satanic imagery for commercial reasons.[39] For example, thrash metal band Slayer included at the start of the band’s 1985 album Hell Awaits a deep backmasked voice chanting “Join Us” over and over.(listen (info)).[40] However, Slayer vocalist Tom Araya states that the band’s use of Satanic imagery was “solely for effect”.[41] Cradle of Filth, another band that has employed Satanic imagery, released a song entitled “Dinner at Deviant’s Palace”, consisting almost entirely of ambient sounds and a reversed reading of the Lord’s Prayer[42] (a backwards reading of the Lord’s Prayer is reportedly a major part of the Black Mass).[20][43] Seattle-based grunge band Soundgarden parodied the phenomenon of Satanic backmasking on their 1989 album Ultramega OK. When played backwards, the songs “665” and “667” reveal a song about Santa.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backmasking

Just as we have objects blessed by our Priests - which are then sacramentals, so too, can objects and songs have evil attached to them.

blessings,
CEM

 

[NiceMimi]

Thank you NiceMimi for your prayers - I always welcome prayer.

Now, to clarify: I do not think too much about “them” (occult items) – I do not have any. I can tell you that my son’s girlfriend (wife now) had some occult items and they did consult with our Priest and he took them out of their home, and blessed their home. Many strange things were happening to them prior to this turning away and discarding what they thought were harmless items. The occult is real. It invites the oppressive presence of demons into ones life.

Have you ever read the book: An Exorcist Tells His Story, by Father Gabriele Amorth?

Fr. Amorth, the renowned chief exorcist of Rome, tells of his many experiences in his ministry as an exorcist doing battle with Satan to relieve the great suffering of many people in the grip of evil.

In this book it clearly explains that curses are real – they “invoke evil, and the origin of all evil is demonic” (paritial quote from pg. 130). Sorcerers are real, spells are real, and so on.

Believe me, we have consulted with Priests and they know too, how real these things are.

Why do you think God gave us Priests who can exorcise demons and fight evil for us? The Bible is clear about us not trying to fight Satan by ourselves.

blessings,
CEM

I have not read the book, but I will keep it in mind. As for fighting the enemy, what is there to fight? The light of God is more powerful than the enemy. We are to leave all our concerns at God’s feet. Jesus said that whatever we ask for in His name will be granted. That pretty much summarizes the Power of God.

Heavenly Father, in faith, I thank You for guiding and protecting all who seek You. Thank You Lord for Your Power and Glory, and for Your Holy Presence in our lives. Amen.

 

[beeliner]

There were some that I had heard of - heavy Rock and heavy metal, but I never paid too much attention, because I have never liked any of those styles of music, and would never listen to them, so I didn’t feel the need to write them down. However, I did a quick google, and I am sure you could probably find more if you searched, but this is what I found for your perusal:

Satanic backmasking

Although the Satanic backmasking controversy involved mainly classic rock songs whose authors denied any intent to promote Satanism, backmasking has been used by heavy metal bands to deliberately insert messages in their lyrics or imagery. Bands have utilized Satanic imagery for commercial reasons.[39] For example, thrash metal band Slayer included at the start of the band’s 1985 album Hell Awaits a deep backmasked voice chanting “Join Us” over and over.(listen (info)).[40] However, Slayer vocalist Tom Araya states that the band’s use of Satanic imagery was “solely for effect”.[41] Cradle of Filth, another band that has employed Satanic imagery, released a song entitled “Dinner at Deviant’s Palace”, consisting almost entirely of ambient sounds and a reversed reading of the Lord’s Prayer[42] (a backwards reading of the Lord’s Prayer is reportedly a major part of the Black Mass).[20][43] Seattle-based grunge band Soundgarden parodied the phenomenon of Satanic backmasking on their 1989 album Ultramega OK. When played backwards, the songs “665” and “667” reveal a song about Santa.

Just as we have objects blessed by our Priests - which are then sacramentals, so too, can objects and songs have evil attached to them.

Thanks, CEM, I really appreciate the reply. But in the line about ‘665’ and ‘667’, are we talking about SANTA or Satan?

I’ve never been a fan of ‘Heavy Metal’ music, but I gotta admit, I have AC/DC’s first album. Now, I’m over 70 years old, and there are times when I really need an “upper”, and listening to “You Shook Me All Night Long” once or twice will usually do the trick.

If it doesn’t, ELO’s “Don’t Bring Me Down” or the Ramones’ “Blitzkrieg Bop” will nearly always work.

With regard to ‘backmasking’, as the Wiki article indicates, it’s been pretty thoroughly debunked. No research has ever indicated that a backward message, no matter how innocent or how vile, can be reversed by the brain, even subliminally. You actually have the revolve the record manually, which is not very good for either the disc or the stylus. I don’t know how you’d do it with a CD.

My favorite intentional backward message is at the beginning of ELO’s “Fire on High”, which says, “The music is reversible, but time is not! Turn back! Turn back! Turn back!” Hardly demonic in nature.

I can also play Patti Page’s “Doggie in the Window” backwards and hear lots of references to God… Gee, I wonder why that is.

In short, as far as I know, all of the truly ‘demonic’ messages of the type you cite were done, intentionally of course, after some crackpot fundamentalist preacher claimed to hear such messages in Beatles’ songs, particularly on the “white album”.

Had it not been for this idiot, it’s doubtful that the Metal bands would ever have hit on the idea.

 

[CEM5]

I have not read the book, but I will keep it in mind. As for fighting the enemy, what is there to fight? The light of God is more powerful than the enemy. We are to leave all our concerns at God’s feet. Jesus said that whatever we ask for in His name will be granted. That pretty much summarizes the Power of God.

Heavenly Father, in faith, I thank You for guiding and protecting all who seek You. Thank You Lord for Your Power and Glory, and for Your Holy Presence in our lives. Amen.

Hi NiceMimi,

I am sure you will find the book most enlightening.

Yes, God is more powerful than the enemy, but Satan is the prince of this world, as the Bible tells us. I thank God for His guardian angels that watch over us and protect us and praise God for His comforting love when things happen to us in this life.

True, Jesus told us that whatever we ask in His name, will be granted, but this line of scripture is taken out of context: In context, it is what is in line with God’s will. Also, God does not hear the prayers of the unrighteous, and those of a husband, can be hindered if he does not treat his wife well.

1 Peter 3:7 NRSA

Husbands, in the same way, show consideration for your wives in your life together, paying honor to the woman as the weaker sex, since they too are also heirs of the gracious gift of life—so that nothing may hinder your prayers.

God bless you,
CEM

 

[CEM5]

Thanks, CEM, I really appreciate the reply. But in the line about ‘665’ and ‘667’, are we talking about SANTA or Satan?

I’ve never been a fan of ‘Heavy Metal’ music, but I gotta admit, I have AC/DC’s first album. Now, I’m over 70 years old, and there are times when I really need an “upper”, and listening to “You Shook Me All Night Long” once or twice will usually do the trick.

If it doesn’t, ELO’s “Don’t Bring Me Down” or the Ramones’ “Blitzkrieg Bop” will nearly always work.

With regard to ‘backmasking’, as the Wiki article indicates, it’s been pretty thoroughly debunked. No research has ever indicated that a backward message, no matter how innocent or how vile, can be reversed by the brain, even subliminally. You actually have the revolve the record manually, which is not very good for either the disc or the stylus. I don’t know how you’d do it with a CD.

My favorite intentional backward message is at the beginning of ELO’s “Fire on High”, which says, “The music is reversible, but time is not! Turn back! Turn back! Turn back!” Hardly demonic in nature.

I can also play Patti Page’s “Doggie in the Window” backwards and hear lots of references to God… Gee, I wonder why that is.

In short, as far as I know, all of the truly ‘demonic’ messages of the type you cite were done, intentionally of course, after some crackpot fundamentalist preacher claimed to hear such messages in Beatles’ songs, particularly on the “white album”.

Had it not been for this idiot, it’s doubtful that the Metal bands would ever have hit on the idea.

Hi again beeliner,

I just learned this recently: the song “Hotel California” is actually about hell! Interesting and puts a new spin on the lirics now.

Any object can have demonic infestations attached to it, so we as Christians have to be careful and discerning.

God bless,
CEM

 

[beeliner]

Hi again beeliner,

I just learned this recently: the song “Hotel California” is actually about hell! Interesting and puts a new spin on the lirics now.

Any object can have demonic infestations attached to it, so we as Christians have to be careful and discerning.

God bless,
CEM

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Ditto Bob Seger’s “Fire Lake”. I think that most songs like that are designed to be ambiguous, leaving the interpretation to the individual.

As for objects having demonic infestations, I do not doubt your sincerity, but I have trouble buying it.

There’s lots and lots of evil in the world, plainly before our eyes. Playing records backwards or demonizing decks of cards is, I think, looking in the wrong place, or worse still, using such items as projections of our own psyche.

 

[NiceMimi]

Hi NiceMimi,

I am sure you will find the book most enlightening.

Yes, God is more powerful than the enemy, but Satan is the prince of this world, as the Bible tells us. I thank God for His guardian angels that watch over us and protect us and praise God for His comforting love when things happen to us in this life.

True, Jesus told us that whatever we ask in His name, will be granted, but this line of scripture is taken out of context: In context, it is what is in line with God’s will. Also, God does not hear the prayers of the unrighteous, and those of a husband, can be hindered if he does not treat his wife well.

1 Peter 3:7 NRSA

Husbands, in the same way, show consideration for your wives in your life together, paying honor to the woman as the weaker sex, since they too are also heirs of the gracious gift of life—so that no thing may hinder your prayers.

God bless you,
CEM

We should make it a point to keep in mind that Jesus is King, and God his Father ----- Our Father. We should keep our eyes on the Light of This World, and remember who we are in Christ. As for Jesus telling us that whatever we ask for in his name will be granted, I think it goes without saying that it has to be in line with God’s laws.

 

[Sonic]

As for objects having demonic infestations, I do not doubt your sincerity, but I have trouble buying it.

Attachments are different from infestations. You have to be careful you don’t confuse the two concerning this subject matter. Humans also have attachments to items, people, or places; but common sense tells us that doesn’t mean that humans infest those things (meaning they are not necessarily inside or near them spiritually). The same applies to demons. An attachment means the items gain or attract the attention of demonic beings (for whatever reason known to them).

A good analogy to this is your name. You have an attachment to it, because it’s an integral part of your identity. Even if you share the same name with someone else, it will still garner your attention in some way when used. If someone were to place your name on a billboard, then it would most likely gain your attention if you drove by it. The same may be applied to personal interests, subjects, even this message board as an analogy for such attachments.

Since angelic beings do not have physical bodies (being pure intelligence***), there is no need for them to be present in or around the attachment to gain knowledge of it. They simply need to focus their intelligence towards it.

In contrast, infestation tends to refer to a presence in an area (or rather towards an area or person***).

***Note: Information from Peter Kreeft’s book Angels and Demons: What We Really Know About Them

 

[Sonic]

Basically how do I get rid of occult items and what makes occult items occult?

That is, how do certain items have demons and curses attached to them? I can’t really think of an answer.

I recommend you take the items to a priest for proper disposal (if the items were indeed created for actual use in the occult as opposed to something that wasn’t). The items don’t have to have been used to necessitate them being disposed of. If it wasn’t intended for actual usage in the occult… but still holds an unhealthy fascination on the subject for you… then get rid of it. If it’s not an actual occult item and doesn’t present a danger to your spiritual health (like a souvenir mask you got in Africa), then have it blessed anyway so that it will never present such a danger to yourself or anyone else.

 

[Dymphna82]

…err…

It’s been a year since I’ve returned to the church but I still have my pagan items. I live with my folks and they would rather see me sell the items than throw them out. But then I’ll post that I’m selling them but then I ignore the mails I get. A part of me kind of feels like selling/giving them away is just enabling someone else to continue down that road.

I just have these items covered up or put where I can’t see them. But you know, long term witches are taught to put occult items in different corners of the house “for protection,” and I’m sure if I started to throw everything out today, a year from now I’d still find occult stuff. Maybe I burn down my house and start from scratch?

 

[Veronica97]

CEM5, It is my understanding that “Hotel California” by the Eagles was really about the trappings of fame and makes references to the members of the band Fleetwood Mac, specifically Stevie Nicks. “Her mind is definitely twisted, she got the Mercedes-Benz…” Fleetwood Mac was known for their excesses in drugs and each member of the band was transported in their own Mercedes! “The Beast” doesn’t refer to the devil, but rather to “Fame”. “You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave” means they can die of a drug overdose but they can’t leave the life of fame b/c they enjoy performing too much. So sometimes words are just used as symbolism and are not to be taken literally.

 

[Holly3278]

I would simply destroy them and throw them out. Maybe even sprinkle some holy water on them with a prayer to Saint Michael the Archangel for good measure.

 

[NiceMimi]

I’m with Holly get rid of them. Better yet, if you review The Commandments our Lord gave to Moses, he said that we are not to worship any other gods other than Him. Even if you are not using them, you are harboring pagan gods and in selling them you would be encouraging others to worship pagan Gods. Your folks are being deceived into thinking that the money is more important than obeying God. Obey God: Get rid of the things.

 

[perro_sarnoso]

Basically how do I get rid of occult items and what makes occult items occult?

That is, how do certain items have demons and curses attached to them? I can’t really think of an answer.

Besides the obvious appearance of the items- it is the way in which the items have been used and percieved by the user.

The image of a saint can be an object of reverence to the holy life of that saint. But use it in Santeria or Voodoo and now you have a use that is directed in an evil way. Destroy that item.

If the item was used to obtain a favor; a power or a control over a person, a place or a situation-the item is bad. Even if it’s the image of a saint. Destroy the image, bury it and sprinkle holy water on the site.

hope this helps

 

[Dymphna82]

I just put as many books as I could fit into a box, and I will need to get another box to fill with more books. I gathered books I forgot I ever bought.

And then I have the statues to get rid of and more divination stuff.

Um…anyone have an idea what to do with a sword and an athame(knife)? There was no blood-letting with either item. The sword is a dulled Spanish bastard sword, if you didn’t know any better.

 

[CEM5]

CEM5, It is my understanding that “Hotel California” by the Eagles was really about the trappings of fame and makes references to the members of the band Fleetwood Mac, specifically Stevie Nicks. “Her mind is definitely twisted, she got the Mercedes-Benz…” Fleetwood Mac was known for their excesses in drugs and each member of the band was transported in their own Mercedes! “The Beast” doesn’t refer to the devil, but rather to “Fame”. “You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave” means they can die of a drug overdose but they can’t leave the life of fame b/c they enjoy performing too much. So sometimes words are just used as symbolism and are not to be taken literally.

Hi Veronica,

It was what I read that this song represented. You could be right though.

thanks,
CEM

 

[NiceMimi]

I just put as many books as I could fit into a box, and I will need to get another box to fill with more books. I gathered books I forgot I ever bought.

And then I have the statues to get rid of and more divination stuff.

Um…anyone have an idea what to do with a sword and an athame(knife)? There was no blood-letting with either item. The sword is a dulled Spanish bastard sword, if you didn’t know any better.

Congratulations, and God bless you.

You could just put them in a double black plastic bag, and put it out with the garbage. I am sure that the garbage people are use to seeing all kinds of odd things. With the knife, though, you may want to wrap it in masking tape to prevent anyone from getting hurt.

God bless.

 

[Dymphna82]

I’m not sure I want to get rid of the sword. Maybe I wipe it down with holy water? I might want to get more swords in the future, for simply collecting.

The books were finally taken away from the garbage man. Luckily I was helped in getting rid of it. I felt a few moments of wanting to say no, don’t take it. But then they were gone.

I mean, I don’t intend to use them again but when I look at what items I own, the vast majority of things I’ve collected are occult in nature. The idea of empty rooms is just a bit of a psychological shock…and I’m not done clearing things out yet.

One thing that helps is I have some porcelain dolls. Just regular dolls. Going to put them on the shelves I used to have my books.

Oh, the athame is dull as well, btw.