Occult symbols in Mormon temple!!!!

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What’s with the sacred garment? Can you please tell us about that?

~Liza
 
zerinus said:
When they put up a statute, you complain about the quality of the art. When they don’t, you complain that they don’t. Hypocrisy shines through and through.

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As usual, Zerinus misses the point entirely. I’m not complaining about the presence of statues. I like statues, and artwork, especially when it is done well. I’ve never complained about Mormon “art” except in that it has been poorly executed.

No, what I was pointing out in this is that there were no renditions of the Lord Jesus Christ. Yet, there were three renditions of the “prophet” Joseph Smith. I pointed that out in order to emphasize the fact that Mormonism is the Cult of Joseph Smith. I mean, if you go over to EWTN you see a lot of artwork, and it is always about Jesus, and Mary, and the saints, and most of it is quality stuff. I suppose one could say that Catholicism is the Cult of Jesus and Mary. And that is OK by me. But the Cult of Joseph Smith? Bad taste.
 
Karin said:
you mean the “magic underwear”?? 😃

lightplanet.com/mormons/temples/mormon_underwear.html
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Wow - thanks Karin, I’ve heard of it and read about it in fictional stories, but have never actually seen it or known what it truly is or what its purpose is. I understand they are to be worn even during sex and only removed for bathing.

I apologize for my akward gawking, but it’s not something I’m familliar with and so I find it different and strange. Not trying to poke fun or anything. Just hoping to learn about something I don’t know about.

~Liza
 
rayne100 said:
First of all what specific symbols are you referring to.
Secondly, Mormons, are christians and believe in Christ, I don’t think there is any harm in talking to them about the differences in your beliefs.
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According to the Vatican … Mormon’s aren’t considered Christians in ‘our sense of the word’ because they do not believe in the Trinity … that is what makes a Christian a Christian.

Mormon’s are wonderful people, we have special close friends that are Mormon’s and they follow what wonderful family values.
 
rayne100 said:
First of all what specific symbols are you referring to.
Secondly, Mormons, are christians and believe in Christ, I don’t think there is any harm in talking to them about the differences in your beliefs.
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Rayne,

In 2000, a specific question was put to the CIF about Mormon baptism: whether it was a valid Christian rite.

The answer is NO.

The Church, since 1880 in fact, has always viewed LDS or Mormons as non-Christians. This is due to there multiple god dogma and other goofy teachings (they claim we went into Apostasy-indeed-all Protestant churches too) and that they are the One and True church.

Protestants (from mainstream denominations at least) are considered Christian, and always have been, by the Church.

But those Mormons?

Of course, don’t ask a lot of questions about this so-called ‘Apostasy’ and polygamy and eternal marriage and eternal progression and Joseph Smith (hi Zerinus, welcome back!) because you won’t get any answers: just a lot of “The Holy Spirit told me so” and “I believe it is True” kind of responses.
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zerinus said:
I have a testimony of the Holy Ghost that the Book of Mormon is true. Now you can harp on about occult symbols, inverted pentagrams, becoming gods, and old Joe Smith until you drop dead.

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Gotta love that Zerinus! Here is the stock answer for any question about Mormon pantheology.

Welcome back, Zerinus, I hope your bishops and elders and apostles appreciate the hard work you do here!

Pax Christi,

Jonathan
 
Allweather said:
Except when they don’t. Didn’t Zerinus recently disavow some significant “teachings” of the beloved “prophet?”

Yesterday afternoon, me and the fiance sat and watched an hourlong program on BYU Channel (DirectTV) that had a table panel of BYU “scholars” from the BYU Religious History Dept discussing the part of the D&C that deals with the lost 116 pages of manuscript that Martin Harris took. It was the fiance, the former Mormon, who noticed that, in the background of the room, as the three cameras scanned and panned the four “scholars,” were three statues of Joseph Smith, but not a single image of Jesus. God bless her, she is really starting to notice that Mormonism is not of Christ, but is the Cult of Joseph Smith, and nothing more.
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Oooo. So it was Martin Harris who took the 116 pages? Zerinus in an earlier post threw up this taking and the eventual recovery of the remaining pages as evidence that God’s miraculous power was at work guiding his church.

Martin Harris stole the missing pages. How about that. Do the non-Mormons in our bunch know where else we find his name? He’s one of the Three Witnesses who testified on behalf of the BoM translation, “for His voice hath declared it unto us.” I’ve also learned that all three of these witnesses subsequently abandoned the Mormons. Some testimony.

Nan
 
Nan_S said:
Oooo. So it was Martin Harris who took the 116 pages? Zerinus in an earlier post threw up this taking and the eventual recovery of the remaining pages as evidence that God’s miraculous power was at work guiding his church.

Martin Harris stole the missing pages. How about that. Do the non-Mormons in our bunch know where else we find his name? He’s one of the Three Witnesses who testified on behalf of the BoM translation, “for His voice hath declared it unto us.” I’ve also learned that all three of these witnesses subsequently abandoned the Mormons. Some testimony.

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In the case of Martin Harris, who was a notorious wife-beater, he left the LDS for many years, having been excommunicated I believe. Very late in his life, destitute, old, and sick, he asked to be reinstated. Some relatives sent him a few dollars to bring him back west, and he spent his last couple of years back in the bosom of Brigham Young. The South Park rendition of the Mormon Story, which BTW is hilarious, says that it was Lucy Harris who instigated the taking of the 116 pages. According to that version, it was her idea. She wanted to force JS to retranslate the missing pages, and then compare them to the originals, and thereby prove to the very gullible Martin that JS was a fraud, since he wouldn’t be able to produce an exact translation. But JS saw thru that ploy and decided not to retranslate that section, but to go to another section instead.

Evidently Lucy Harris was quite a bit smarter than her husband was. She never bought into the scam, and bitterly resented the money that Martin gave to Joseph in order to finance the first edition of BoM.
 
at one point in his life Harris gave testimony to the truth of the shaker religion. He was gullible and a target because he had money and land. His wife tried to protect him from con men and help him keep his holdings. she was not very successful unfortunately.
 
blessings123 said:
I recently learned that Mormons display occult symbols in their temples.:eek:
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I read once that the temple has occult symbols (pentagrams, upside-down crosses, Masonic symbols) on the outside; so when I visited Temple Square in Salt Lake City, I specifically looked for occult symbols on the outside, and I have to say I found none.

There is another big temple in Nauvoo, Illinois. I’ve never been there to check the outside, but the picture on Wikipedia shows upside-down, five-pointed stars on it. I don’t know that those qualify as pentagrams, since they don’t appear to be surrounded by circles. Other than that, I can’t tell what else might be decorating it.

I can’t speak to what’s on the inside of a temple.
 
shirleytowers said:
The book of mormon doesn’t even make sense, far as I can tell.

How come Mormon churches don’t have windows?

Tell us about the “garment.”

Do the Elders or any of them in SLC talk to God? or He to them? to any of them?
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Shirley the mormon churches do have windows…the Temples have windows but as you can see some are quite high. The Mormon Temple’s are off limits to outsiders and to members of the church that are not qualified to go. They have sacred rites in the Temples and are not for public viewing.

The garments are like underwear, The garment is worn as part of a special ceremony called the temple endowment. The garment is worn at all times (day and night) by members as a constant reminder of the promises they have made to God in the Temple.

Hope that explains it…
God bless
 
Victorious said:
I read once that the temple has occult symbols (pentagrams, upside-down crosses, Masonic symbols) on the outside; so when I visited Temple Square in Salt Lake City, I specifically looked for occult symbols on the outside, and I have to say I found none.

There is another big temple in Nauvoo, Illinois. I’ve never been there to check the outside, but the picture on Wikipedia shows upside-down, five-pointed stars on it. I don’t know that those qualify as pentagrams, since they don’t appear to be surrounded by circles. Other than that, I can’t tell what else might be decorating it.

I can’t speak to what’s on the inside of a temple.
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Look at the picture close. It is a pentagram…the other next to it looks like one but they put a longer tip on the bottom

This makes me sick, all the Mormons believe they are worshipping God and reality is they are not… Thank God I’m no longer one of them. We all should pray for everyone that they may see the light…
 
Kristine1957 said:
Shirley the mormon churches do have windows…the Temples have windows but as you can see some are quite high. The Mormon Temple’s are off limits to outsiders and to members of the church that are not qualified to go. They have sacred rites in the Temples and are not for public viewing.

The garments are like underwear, The garment is worn as part of a special ceremony called the temple endowment. The garment is worn at all times (day and night) by members as a constant reminder of the promises they have made to God in the Temple.

Hope that explains it…
God bless
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They also teach that the temple garment will protect them from harm - both physical and spiritual. Mormon lore is full of stories of people who escaped from fire or other disasters with only the parts of their bodies covered by the garments unscathed.

In reality, Mormons wearing temple garments die in car accidents and fires and other accidents just like everyone else. Putting their trust in magic underwear is just another cult aspect of Mormonism.

God have mercy on them,
Paul
 
mary_bobo said:
I think that is unfair. The Mormons I have known do, indeed, believe in Christ. Isn’t that what a Christian is? Many religions believe in Christ even if it is not in the same sense that we Catholics do.
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Bah! That is the seed of heresy! There is one truth! ONE TRUTH! To stray from it is to live a lie! Walk the straight and narrow, along the edge of a razor! That is the path to Paradise!

To accept anything less is to compramise, and that is akin to treachery.
 
Kristine1957 said:
Look at the picture close. It is a pentagram…the other next to it looks like one but they put a longer tip on the bottom

This makes me sick, all the Mormons believe they are worshipping God and reality is they are not… Thank God I’m no longer one of them. We all should pray for everyone that they may see the light…
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Do you see how close the Lie come to the Truth! 99.9% people! It that close! There is no enemy so sinister than that which takes the guise of a friend!
 
Clonereject1138 said:
Bah! That is the seed of heresy! There is one truth! ONE TRUTH! To stray from it is to live a lie! Walk the straight and narrow, along the edge of a razor! That is the path to Paradise!

To accept anything less is to compramise, and that is akin to treachery.
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Clonereject: Of course the Mormons believe in Christ, its just not the same one as other religions. This is how they see it: God is the Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ is His Son, and the Holy Ghost is a spirit sent by God to teach truth, inspire, and comfort. They believe in 3 seperate Gods.(Father, Son and Holy Spirit)
 
zerinus said:
I don’t see anything beligerent about “Yes they do”.

zerinus
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Hey Z-bot! It might be when you call us Catholics “enemies of God and His True Church,” that is seen as being belligerent.
 
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