Occupy Wall Street?

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jonatello, I appreciate you being honest enough to tell me you didn’t bother reading. I respectfully disagree, though. like I pointed out before, it’s a completely different ideology. a completely different worldview. some people think the government exists to save them from themselves and refuse to take control of their lives. no job? get unemployment. don’t save during the working years? get social security. and when the money isn’t enough to live at whatever standard they’ve set for themselves, they complain that they deserve more, that there are people with more money who should be paying more taxes in order to fund the programs they rely on. keeping people dependent on the government was the best thing the democrat party could ever have done to keep their voter base constant. why bother working hard and sacrificing and accepting that sometimes life sucks when the government hands money out like there’s no tomorrow?

maybe some people don’t realize it’s jealousy, but that’s exactly what it is. they don’t see their life as a result of the choices they’ve made, but as a result of what others have done to them. by constantly playing victim they absolve themselves of the need to better themselves by their own power. their situation is, and always will be, someone else’s fault, and therefore it’s only fair that the government punish the people they perceive as the oppressors (in this case by higher taxes). it’s basic human nature to make excuses for oneself, but that doesn’t make it right. 🤷
Everything you said to frame your “jealousy” slant is mythological though. The facts don’t support any of these unfair claims about OWS or struggling people.

If I can find time later, I’ll elaborate, but unfortunately with this one, it’s going to require an answer for virtually every sentence you’ve written lol
 
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Sweden, Norway, Liechtenstein, Luxemburg, Switzerland, Denmark all have better quality of living and free health care, free university access AND are very high on the economical development index. Switzerland and Liechtenstein and Luxemburg are more open markets than the US in a lot of things.

How is that possible from your point of view?

Also I have no problem of paying more taxes to help the poor and the government. Why is that bad? Government is corrupt but so is Big Business my friend. Power always is, but at least the public has “some” influence over government, not over Big Business.

Keep in mind, I am no socialist, not at all, but I see in my country (Switzerland and Austria) that you can have the best of both worlds, despite what the powerful might say! And I like the US I promise you!

Peace!
The biggest difference between all the countries you posted and the U.S is size both population wise and land wise.

How can you compare a country like Switzerland (pop = 7,825,243) to the U.S (pop = 298,362,973) which is almost 38 times more people?

Area wise you have Switzerland with 15,940 square miles compared to the U.S with 3,794,083 square miles which is almost 238 times as large.

What may work on a small scale does not necessarily always work when scaled up. Switzerland and many of the other countries you mentioned also don’t have to spend very much militarily and rely on others and their terrain for their defense. The problem is someone has to be there to stand up to the Hitler’s that come along now and then and the U.S can’t get away from spending what it does militarily. I’m glad if the system in Switzerland works there, but you can’t expect it to just scale up and work in the U.S.
 
aka the 53 (and falling) percent of Americans LEFT with jobs, for now, as the line outside grows, forcing them to be taken advantage of and worked harder for the same pay.

The white indentured servants of slavery times, slightly favored by their masters to keep their frustrations pointed toward the Africans below them.

Rob, Marcus, and Paul are given 21 slices of pizza.

Rob takes 20, gives Paul the other 1 and says “Watch out for Marcus. He wants our food”
Rob is a farmer, he works 12 hours a day 7 days a week raising wheat He sales it to PUl who has worked hard and built up a pizza business that employs dozens of people and pays 50&% of his earnings in taxes. Marcus refuses to work and sits around complaining about how unfair life is all the while calling Rob and Paul greedy and demanding free Pizza
 
Rob, Marcus, and Paul are given 21 slices of pizza.

Rob takes 20, gives Paul the other 1 and says “Watch out for Marcus. He wants our food”
this is based on the faulty premise that rob, marcus and paul all deserve to receive 7 slices each.

(the “group project” theory: there was always someone who did most of the work and someone who didn’t do anything, or did their part so shoddily that it needed to be redone - and yet everyone received the same grade. or the “annual raise” theory: everyone in the office gets the same percent increase, even though some people deserve more and some should be tossed to the curb.)

this is getting silly, but… if marcus sat on his :eek: all day because he didn’t want to make pizza, I don’t care how hungry he is. and john shouldn’t come by and force rob or paul to share. if he has a legit excuse (he had to use the pizza money for bus fare to visit his mother in the hospital), rob and paul will share because they’re decent guys. if he used the money for a beer on the way home from work, rob and paul might share, maybe in exchange for marcus washing all the dishes instead of just his own. but if it’s been a month straight of pizza-money-for-post-work-beer, they’re well within their right to let him go hungry because it’s clear he values his beer more than his part in contributing to the pizza. john will want to redistribute the pizza, but his method of doing so would be to toss it across the room, where it has a very high chance of landing on the floor, so he’d have to take more from rob and paul to make up for the wasted pieces. in conclusion: if you don’t help make pizza you don’t deserve any, if you have an excuse, how much pizza you get needs to be determined on a case by case basis, and if john gets involved much pizza will be wasted.

mmm, pizza… 😛
 
Im on weight watchers, can we talk pie instead?

No not pie that’s a bad idea how about? (trying to think of a food I dont like)

Cant do it! OK make it tires ok? they are round like pizza (hmm Pizza)

I just done with the whole OWS poverty wealthy and on and on…We just are not going to change anyones mind. It took me 58 years to think for myself now i have to change my mind? Egads!

Can we talk football instead? Go jets! Or maybe a real issue like “The new translation” I find it fun as we as cantors and choir members are in the forefront of the change along with the priests.

My only regret was we used the ‘German mass’ for over a year and I really love it-Now it is all changed! drat! (half the Church loved the German mass the other half hated it)

Anyway, sorry if I stepped on anyones toes just ready to move on

Glen
 
Or maybe a real issue like “The new translation” I find it fun as we as cantors and choir members are in the forefront of the change along with the priests.

My only regret was we used the ‘German mass’ for over a year and I really love it-Now it is all changed! drat! (half the Church loved the German mass the other half hated it)
👍 last week the priest was like, “nope, let’s try again…” several times. despite there being sheets to follow along with. :rotfl:
 
The real issue here is whether the United States will regulate the financial industry, in the interest of protecting the nation’s economy.
 
Our pastor got by quite well with maybe three errors that were quickly fixed.

We in the pews or Choir loft have “cheat” cards so it is a breeze yet many still said “and also with you” at those times we now say ‘And with your spirit’

We will nail it in time-church change always come slowly!

Glen
 
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