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I feel truly, and deeply called to be an OCDS Carmelite, and have for quite some time. Being disabled, I never knew that it could still be possible until now. It has been brought to my attention that there is a Statute or Clause that makes provision for Isolate Membership Exceptions in certain cases that each Province deternines based on each person and the situation.

If ANYONE can help me find the proper contacts for me to pursue, wow, I would really appreciate it! I live in the BRONX, NEW YORK
so the OCDS community nearest to me is probably the one I need to contact…but, who is the one nearest to me?! And, what do I do?

THANKS…THERESA
 
I saw your question, and I have no answer, but I am in a similar circumstance. I am currently on Social Security Disability. That in itself is a long story, but I would rather have a vocation than get a monthly check and stay home all the time. I am 47 years old. Years ago I pursued the priesthood through several archdioceses/religious orders, all to no avail. I am beginning to think that perhaps I have more of a cloistered vocation. I have already looked at several monasteries online, but I am past the age for novitiate in those I have seen(I am 47, will be 48 in September).
When I say “cloistered” I mean in a monastery or hermitage of some kind, very austere, prayer and work. My parish church is open 24 hours, so currently, for the past year, I’ve been going to church to pray at 6AM, then Mass at 8AM. I want to spend more time praying, and tried to stay later(after mass), but the daylight hours are where most of the maintenance/organ practice and such is done, and it was sort of distracting. I am considering going earlier, perhaps at 4AM, and staying through morning Mass. I don’t want to push things, but if that works out, I will probably try going even earlier, perhaps to the point(Do I have the strength or the calling for this? Not sure.) where I am spending the entire night in prayer.
I believe that God has been leading me towards constant prayer for years. I have vacillated between being a Martha and a Mary quite a bit over the years but have always found myself drawn towards sitting at the feet of the Lord. Poverty and detachment isn’t an issue. I would put everything I own out by the curb and go if Jesus called me.

I’ve been turned down by vocations directors for various reasons but the desire of my heart is to live a consecrated lifestyle. I have never pursued a vocation with a contemplative order. Perhaps they would turn me down also. Regardless, if I can’t find a religious order to take me, I will live the contemplative lifestyle where I am. God truly has provided a sacred place for the members of the Parish to pray, and I can go there too.

I may be too old for the priesthood or too old for most religious orders, but ultimately, regardless of whether I’m received or rejected, I can still live a consecrated life.

Any (name removed by moderator)ut? 47 years old, single, no children, never married, 2 and 1/2 years of theology at the University of Steubenville(from 1981-83), dedicated, conservative Catholic, on SS Disability for the past 13 months. What could God do with somebody like me?
 
Hi, Patrick…glad you posted! Funny, isn’t it? To feel so strongly, yet be in circumstances that seem to not make it apparent how you will proceed. I guess this is where True Surrender and Trust come in. If Our Lord is Calling us closer to Himself, then He will lead us, too. We have to believe that, even though it seems so unclear at present what form our Callings will eventually take.
I, too, am on Social Security DisAbility. I can’t really travel or I would join a community. And, your circumstances seem to be presenting some obstacles for you, as well. But, your Prayer Life sounds very deep and full and for that you can be sure to receive many more such Graces both for yourself and I’m sure for others whom your Prayers assist, whether or not you ever find a particular place in any particular Order.
I will keep you in Prayer and I hope that you will do the same. God Bless you, Patrick.
 
Hi, Patrick…glad you posted! Funny, isn’t it? To feel so strongly, yet be in circumstances that seem to not make it apparent how you will proceed. I guess this is where True Surrender and Trust come in. If Our Lord is Calling us closer to Himself, then He will lead us, too. We have to believe that, even though it seems so unclear at present what form our Callings will eventually take.
I, too, am on Social Security DisAbility. I can’t really travel or I would join a community. And, your circumstances seem to be presenting some obstacles for you, as well. But, your Prayer Life sounds very deep and full and for that you can be sure to receive many more such Graces both for yourself and I’m sure for others whom your Prayers assist, whether or not you ever find a particular place in any particular Order.
I will keep you in Prayer and I hope that you will do the same. God Bless you, Patrick.
I’ve been turned away or diverted for just about every inquiry I’ve made, but God must surely have a place for me in the Church. I don’t think about the things that I can’t do. I think rather of the things that I can do. I had always believed that I could have served as a priest, and I’m not quite convinced that I couldn’t, but really it’s the vocations director that makes the decision. However, there are other ways to serve. I’ve never considered a contemplative order. I don’t know that I’m too old to look into a monastic order. But I have always spent alot of time in prayer, and recently it’s been dawning on me just how much time I have to pray. Prayer is very much a vocation. Perhaps no religious order will decide to accomodate me, and if so, I can still pray.

I’m serious about this. There’s nothing condescending about prayer. Jesus Himself said that Mary chose the better part. And what was that better part? To stay at the feet of Jesus. I can do that. I don’t need anyone’s permission to stay at the feet of Jesus. No one can deny me the opportunity to kneel at His feet. Because I am on disability I can devote as much time to prayer as I have strength to devote. To love the Lord my God with all my heart, soul, mind, strength—if I chose a monastic vocation, that would be the primary reason. But I can do that outside the walls of a cloister. Perhaps not without distraction. But it is possible.

The point is to love Jesus. The point is to love others. What better way to love Jesus than to spend time with Him in prayer? And what better way to love others than to bring their petitions before Him in prayer? To lay your head back on the bosom of Jesus, hear the beating of His heart, and look up into His eyes and tell Him you love Him? To ask that His will be done in the lives of others? To spend the whole day doing that?

At twilight, when the sun goes down and the sky grows darker, you can see the stars begin to twinkle. I say begin, but that is not quite the reality. The stars were always there in the sky. They were always twinkling. It wasn’t until the lights went out and the world disappeared that you could see them. Sometimes the world has to disappear before you can begin to see eternity. That is what I think of when I consider a monastic vocation, it is this world growing more obscure and the next world coming into focus. We leave our lives behind for what? To find a new life.

I have always been easily distracted. I want less in my life, less material things, but much more of God. My disability in no way prevents prayer and intercession.
I’m not at all optimistic that any order would take me in a monastic vocation. It’s really the last hurrah I suppose in terms of religious ministry. But I’m kind of excited anyway because I realize that I can do alot of that right where I am. Even if I am rejected again for a vocation, God is still calling, and I can answer. And sometimes it’s the very dialogue with God that becomes our vocation in the end, knowing His heart as He reveals it to us, laying ourselves bare before Him–as if there was anything we could do to help Him to know us more than He already does.

That’s the ultimate end of all of our efforts as Christians. To know God and to love Him. To help others to know and love Him. To love others. There is nothing that can prevent me from doing that.

Did Martha complain that Mary was “doing nothing?” But that was not what Mary was doing. Mary was gazing at Jesus, hearing His voice. Perhaps she was close enough to Him that she was able to reach out and touch His shoulder. Martha was busy with many things, but ultimately, I agree with Jesus. Mary really had chosen the better part. With the eyes of faith I lay my head on His bosom, look up into His eyes. I know Him. He knows me. I am my Beloved’s and He is mine. And this is the vocation of every child of God, regardless of state of life or personal circumstances.

I have heard it said that sainthood is “to will and to love.” And we can all do that. And if the greatest of these is love, then in God’s economy, those who choose it are the richest of all.

So that’s where I stand with all of it. Ultimately there’s nothing that can separate me from God, nor keep me from serving Him, so long as there is life and breath. That’s my two cents.
 
Age itself is not a barrier. But it depends on *why *you’re disabled. If it’s because of a stable, non-progressive physical disability, you might have a chance. If it’s due to a psychiatric disability, it will be a lot harder. In a monastic community, in addition to prayer, there is work and getting along. You must be able to do physical labor or otherwise contribute to the support of the community. And although there is a lot of prayer and silence, there is also a lot of obedience and conformity to the general good and need to relae to all kinds of people in all kinds of circumstances. it is my impression that religious orders are not equipped to handle mental disorders.
 
it is my impression that religious orders are not equipped to handle mental disorders.
I’d love to comment on the above and am 'biting my tongue:D ’ not to do so and drag perhaps this thread off its subject. And I have had quite a lot to say about this in other threads that are more connected to the subject of religious life and mental illness sufferers.
 
It is not a psychiatric disability. My intelligence, personality, emotional life and perception of reality are not affected by the disability. It all began when I was sixteen, after a suicide attempt by means of carbon monoxide poisoning. Social Security classifies it as a “cognitive disorder,” by which I have severe short term memory impairment. I have had more than 40 jobs in the past 30 years. My long term memory is above average. Once I remember something, I rarely forget it. It’s “getting it in there,” that’s the problem. When given instructions, if I do not have something to refer to afterwards such as written notes,I am unable to remember the instructions. It is probably the part of my brain called the hippocampus that was affected by oxygen deprivation during the attempt.
I am able to do manual labor very well. However, complex tasks within a spontaneous environment are difficult without having some sort of “reference.” A job consisting of repetitive tasks is something I have done well at. In a monastery environment, once I had overcome the hurdle of getting the information into my long term memory, which is above average, I would be able to continue and repeat those tasks without any problem for the remainder of my life.

I would say that my particular disability is tailor made for the heremetic life, which oddly enough is the path I feel most compelled to take. A life of repetitive physical labor and constant prayer would be like a dream come true for me. Regardless, now that I am on SS disability, I can do that outside of a monastery, and I have begun and will live a life of prayer and service to the best of my ability in my current conditions. However, I am familiar with the monastic lifestyle and would love to look into it more deeply and have a possible vocation discerned.

Realistically, I’ve given up on the priesthood. However, living a life of prayer in a monastic or heremetic environment is something I believe with all of my heart that I can do, and do well.

Any advice, admonition, or encouragement would be appreciated here. I particularly don’t know of any monasteries that accept men at my age. The few that I’ve looked at on the web do have age limits, and I’m beyond it. I don’t know of any contemplative orders that would take a man of my age and circumstances. Nothing is impossible with God, if He is in the details. That is why I am inquiring into this.
 
It is not a psychiatric disability. My intelligence, personality, emotional life and perception of reality are not affected by the disability. It all began when I was sixteen, after a suicide attempt by means of carbon monoxide poisoning. Social Security classifies it as a “cognitive disorder,” by which I have severe short term memory impairment. I have had more than 40 jobs in the past 30 years. My long term memory is above average. Once I remember something, I rarely forget it. It’s “getting it in there,” that’s the problem. When given instructions, if I do not have something to refer to afterwards such as written notes,I am unable to remember the instructions. It is probably the part of my brain called the hippocampus that was affected by oxygen deprivation during the attempt.
I am able to do manual labor very well. However, complex tasks within a spontaneous environment are difficult without having some sort of “reference.” A job consisting of repetitive tasks is something I have done well at. In a monastery environment, once I had overcome the hurdle of getting the information into my long term memory, which is above average, I would be able to continue and repeat those tasks without any problem for the remainder of my life.

I would say that my particular disability is tailor made for the heremetic life, which oddly enough is the path I feel most compelled to take. A life of repetitive physical labor and constant prayer would be like a dream come true for me. Regardless, now that I am on SS disability, I can do that outside of a monastery, and I have begun and will live a life of prayer and service to the best of my ability in my current conditions. However, I am familiar with the monastic lifestyle and would love to look into it more deeply and have a possible vocation discerned.

Realistically, I’ve given up on the priesthood. However, living a life of prayer in a monastic or heremetic environment is something I believe with all of my heart that I can do, and do well.

Any advice, admonition, or encouragement would be appreciated here. I particularly don’t know of any monasteries that accept men at my age. The few that I’ve looked at on the web do have age limits, and I’m beyond it. I don’t know of any contemplative orders that would take a man of my age and circumstances. Nothing is impossible with God, if He is in the details. That is why I am inquiring into this.
I would suggest you sit down and write out your life story and a small essay on why it is you are now seeking the religous life. From there, print off copies of it and start sending it out to communities and pray. A community that has the ability to work with you and the age flexibility can from there get in touch with you and start corresponding.
 
I would suggest you sit down and write out your life story and a small essay on why it is you are now seeking the religous life. From there, print off copies of it and start sending it out to communities and pray. A community that has the ability to work with you and the age flexibility can from there get in touch with you and start corresponding.
I would like to try that, but could you recommend a list of communities with mailing addresses? I would prefer to send the inquiries via regular U.S. Postal Service, being that it seems like a more “formal” approach than an email. If there is a website that has a list of communities(in particular those which are willing to admit a 48 year old man), I would greatly appreciate a link. I will begin looking immediately, but in the offchance that someone has any information, feel free to post it.
 
Thank you for the link on the “urban hermit.” I am familiar with St. Anthony of the Desert and the Apothegmata Patrum. There is a rich heritage for this sort of lifestyle. It’s definitely something I’ve never heard of before, but considering my circumstances, surprisingly do-able.

I would most definitely seek to be “consecrated” if I would decide to formally pursue this sort of lifestyle. I’ve considered monasticism quite a bit, but heremtism isn’t something I’ve considered on practical terms to any great depth. I would definitely need to do further research on it as well as cultivate some dialogue with my parish and archdiocese about it.

It’s certainly something to begin praying about.
 
I feel truly, and deeply called to be an OCDS Carmelite, and have for quite some time. Being disabled, I never knew that it could still be possible until now. It has been brought to my attention that there is a Statute or Clause that makes provision for Isolate Membership Exceptions in certain cases that each Province deternines based on each person and the situation.

If ANYONE can help me find the proper contacts for me to pursue, wow, I would really appreciate it! I live in the BRONX, NEW YORK
so the OCDS community nearest to me is probably the one I need to contact…but, who is the one nearest to me?! And, what do I do?

THANKS…THERESA
Theresa, I’m feeling a little bad because you haven’t received any answers to your questions, and your thread has been a bit “hijacked” for awhile. The only information I found on any Carmelite monasteries in New York is below. I recommend you contact them and begin a dialogue about your vocation. Even if you all discern this is not the place for you, they may help you to find the direction you are meant to take.

Contact Us:
Carmelite Monastery
1931 West Jefferson Rd.
Pittsford, N.Y. 14534
(585) 427-7094‎

Also, I would recommend, if you are not already doing this, talking with one of your parish priests about your desires to live a consecrated life. There are secular orders, third orders, and as another poster mentioned, urban hermits. Communication with a priest and religious communities is key.

God bless you, dear one.

Gertie (the former Benedictine contemplative, now the hyperactive mom 😃 )
 
Theresa, I just found this one as well, but I couldn’t find out if this is a men’s or women’s community. A simple phone call will answer that question 👍 , and if it is a men’s community, they can almost certainly point you in the direction of the nearest women’s community. But again, start talking with a priest on a regular basis. Your parish will have more contact information than you can imagine!

Carmelite Monastery
341 Highland Blvd
Brooklyn, NY 11207

(718) 235-0422
 
I would like to try that, but could you recommend a list of communities with mailing addresses? I would prefer to send the inquiries via regular U.S. Postal Service, being that it seems like a more “formal” approach than an email. If there is a website that has a list of communities(in particular those which are willing to admit a 48 year old man), I would greatly appreciate a link. I will begin looking immediately, but in the offchance that someone has any information, feel free to post it.
Patrick, when I was searching for a community – back in the 1980s! – our diocese had a small book with the contact information for every religious community in the United States. It was a small book, but only because the writing was tiny. With some 5-10 communities listed on every page, it was an overwhelming resource.

Please, if you have not already done so, start regular dialogues with a priest at your parish about your desires to live the consecrated life. Those in the religious life, especially in parishes, have access to resources you can’t even imagine. I don’t know if they still make directories like the one I was given at that vocation retreat all those years ago, but your own parish priest is the place to start.

God bless you, dear one.
Gertie
 
THANK YOU, GERTA…I seem to have made contact with a Community in my area, or at least close enough. They do Not accept Isolate Members, but if I can get well enough to travel even a little, I can get there to the Meetings. May God Bless you for helping me and I would appreciate your remembrance of my desires in your Prayers. Thank you…and thank you for also helping dear Patrick with your information and kindness.

Theresa
 
I was not aware that anyone thought that I had “hijacked” this thread. I have a similar circumstance and so likewise made a similar request. While I apologize for diverting attention away from the original post, I still feel that my question was equally vaild, and I’m sorry if anyone felt otherwise.
 
I would like to try that, but could you recommend a list of communities with mailing addresses? I would prefer to send the inquiries via regular U.S. Postal Service, being that it seems like a more “formal” approach than an email. If there is a website that has a list of communities(in particular those which are willing to admit a 48 year old man), I would greatly appreciate a link. I will begin looking immediately, but in the offchance that someone has any information, feel free to post it.
Are you able to get around and visit some local communities? Even if the communities locally are not what you are called to, the thing about religous I have found time and time again is that they share spiritual friendship with many outside their communities.

My advice expanded is this:
  • Write up your curriculum vitae/life story and
  • an essay or letter about what life you are seeking
  • visit local communities to see if any of them are a match, and in turn ask them if they know anyone
  • talk to the diocesan vocations director! Most people are unaware of this, but a good VocD isn’t there JUST for diocesan vocations, but there to serve as a liason at the diocesan level and direct folks as needed to religous communities
  • Send out a few dozen copies of the letter and life story I suggested, and at the end of the letter perhaps finish with a post script to the effect of
“If you are of the thinking that your community life would not be a match, please do keep me in your prayers, and I welcome ANY suggestions you have - feel free to pass my contact information on if you like also”
  • Pray about it daily - daily Mass if you can, with some time before the tabernacle or adoration before or afterwards… frequent communion, frequent confession
  • ask every priest you know or meet to pray for you and explain your story (as much as you are comfortable).
Sometimes letting Providence works just means abandonment to it. The things that have happened in my life that many would “shrug off” as “coincidence” are things that could only have happened via the Grace of God putting me in the right places, at the right time, meeting the right people, and being open to what is being presented next. It could be, for example, that one day when you are at Mass a visiting priest who is working with a community happens to be there to offer Mass and things just take off…

Keep me in your prayers - I am sort of in a similar boat… I will do the same for you.

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