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I am going to Europe Oct 1 thru 15. My itinerary is Lourdes, Paris (shrines), Rome (general audience with the Pope, Vatican, Basillica etc.),Florence, Padua (my lifelong much loved Saint Anthony’s residence at his death), Venice. This is a spiritual pilgrimage and is, I think, fulfilling an “agreement” between me and the Blessed Mother (whom I saw at age 5-1/2). My concern is this: In the past week, I have had a “premonition” that the Pope will not be alive when I get to Rome. I have had a great many experiences such as this (I believe them to be part of the gifts given me). I am quite concerned so I did an internet search and, sure enough, I found articles regarding his frail health (A-fib, a fall, etc.) What should I do with this “premonition”, is there something God requires of me (extra prayer???)
 
Pray for our Holy Father’s health:)

Have you ever been (if I may ask)?
 
ellzeena said:
I am going to Europe Oct 1 thru 15. My itinerary is Lourdes, Paris (shrines), Rome (general audience with the Pope, Vatican, Basillica etc.),Florence, Padua (my lifelong much loved Saint Anthony’s residence at his death), Venice. This is a spiritual pilgrimage and is, I think, fulfilling an “agreement” between me and the Blessed Mother (whom I saw at age 5-1/2). My concern is this: In the past week, I have had a “premonition” that the Pope will not be alive when I get to Rome. I have had a great many experiences such as this (I believe them to be part of the gifts given me). I am quite concerned so I did an internet search and, sure enough, I found articles regarding his frail health (A-fib, a fall, etc.) What should I do with this “premonition”, is there something God requires of me (extra prayer???)
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If you had a real “premonition” then nothing you do can change it otherwise it wasn’t a premonition in the first place! A premonition is a forewarning of something that will actually happen and not might happen.
Forgive me but any time someone says they can see the future that smacks of superstition.
 
WOW what a great trip you’re making!

FYI, October 1st is the feast of St. Theresa of Lisieux.

My wife and myself visited the Shrines of France back in 1998 and it was awesome!

As far as a premonition, can’t help you there other than repeat the last post, if it’s going to happen, nothing you can do about it anyway, other than pray.

Jim
 
Well once it happens I guess it happens. Just pray it doesn’t.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Pray for our Holy Father’s health:)

Have you ever been (if I may ask)?
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Yes I have been, many many years ago. I saw the then Pope twice, once sitting in a golden chair being carried around the Basillica, the next time at his window waving to the crowd. I have never been to Lourdes, I’m going because Mother called me, but I have been to Paris. I have been praying for the Pope now for months.
 
thistle said:
If you had a real “premonition” then nothing you do can change it otherwise it wasn’t a premonition in the first place! A premonition is a forewarning of something that will actually happen and not might happen.
Forgive me but any time someone says they can see the future that smacks of superstition.
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Premonitions are not “superstition”…they are a gift of the Holy Spirit. The Prophets prophesied, were they superstitious? I was given a premonition by the Blessed Mother at age five (a prophesy) but I could never remember what she told me until over the years a certain number became apparent. As my daughter approached that age, I was given the premonition of what would happen to her and began to remember more of what was told me during the vision. The number perfectly coincided with the age, date of death and times of contact with me of my daughter. In the past six months, I’ve been given premonitions regarding two things, both of which occurred (I found out by seeing the news on the Internet). I think God allows us, when we try to get as close to Him as we can and we try to live with humility and obedience, to see and hear things others miss. No, I’m not psychotic, I’m perfectly mentally healthy. So when this thought came to me (inner locution, I guess you’d call it), I looked it up on the Internet to prove myself wrong and there found how frail his health is. I am praying for him, anyway, because I think there is a great political struggle taking place in the Vatican right now, another intuitive realization, if you will. Did our Lord not tell his apostles that they would do things greater than He? I will talk to my spiritual advisor about this.
 
ellzeena said:
Premonitions are not “superstition”…they are a gift of the Holy Spirit. The Prophets prophesied, were they superstitious? I was given a premonition by the Blessed Mother at age five (a prophesy) but I could never remember what she told me until over the years a certain number became apparent. As my daughter approached that age, I was given the premonition of what would happen to her and began to remember more of what was told me during the vision. The number perfectly coincided with the age, date of death and times of contact with me of my daughter. In the past six months, I’ve been given premonitions regarding two things, both of which occurred (I found out by seeing the news on the Internet). I think God allows us, when we try to get as close to Him as we can and we try to live with humility and obedience, to see and hear things others miss. No, I’m not psychotic, I’m perfectly mentally healthy. So when this thought came to me (inner locution, I guess you’d call it), I looked it up on the Internet to prove myself wrong and there found how frail his health is. I am praying for him, anyway, because I think there is a great political struggle taking place in the Vatican right now, another intuitive realization, if you will. Did our Lord not tell his apostles that they would do things greater than He? I will talk to my spiritual advisor about this.
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If the Church tells me such and such a person is a prophet I will accept that but I do not believe anybody just because they say they have premonitions.
 
I just prayed the Rosary for our pope. It can’t hurt. I genuinely hope your premonition will turn out to be false. In any case, have a fantastic journey.
 
perhaps you are worried for the Holy Father because he is visiting Lebanon at the end of this week?

Pray for his health and safety.
 
ellzeena said:
I think, fulfilling an “agreement” between me and the Blessed Mother (whom I saw at age 5-1/2).
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Doesn’t the church usually investigate Mary’s appearances and determine if it was true? Hoenstly, I as well and of the opinion if the church did not declare it to be true, then Mary did not appear.

I do believe Jesus may have spoken to your heart in a daily matter but not at 5 about something that will happen in the future

CM
 
thistle said:
If the Church tells me such and such a person is a prophet I will accept that but I do not believe anybody just because they say they have premonitions.
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I’m not asking you to believe me. And I’m not claiming extraordinary “powers”. These are gifts of the Holy Spirit, available to anyone who loves God and striving for sainthood (and I don’t mean beatification or canonization, I mean sainthood as Jesus spoke of it). God “talks” to us, each one of us. Most people don’t know that, don’t understand it, block it. I call this “inner locution” for lack of a better way to describe it. It has saved my life, literally, at least twice. It has forewarned me of catastrophe. It has also communicated everyday things that bring me joy, such as: a few nights ago, suddenly I was reminded of a praying mantis (there’s a colony near my house which is now vacant and for sale) and the next morning, there in front of me as I went out the door with my dog, was a praying mantis. I had a conversation with it. Several months ago I had a prompting/thought/inner locution about a natural disaster and the next day, sure enough, there had been one exactly as “described” to me. These aren’t intended for worldwide publication or erudition, they are God’s way of telling me He is in control and has His finger on me and will not let me struggle alone. I don’t claim to be a prophet, but I have had real visions (and I’m not schizophrenic) and I have had this communication all of my life since very early childhood.
 
cmscms said:
Doesn’t the church usually investigate Mary’s appearances and determine if it was true? Hoenstly, I as well and of the opinion if the church did not declare it to be true, then Mary did not appear.

I do believe Jesus may have spoken to your heart in a daily matter but not at 5 about something that will happen in the future

CM
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You’re dead wrong. I was five and half, I had double pneumonia, I was too sick to be taken to the hospital. In my vision the Blessed Mother (whom I loved dearly and called Blessed Mommy) appeared to me. She told me about my life, that it would be very difficult but that God would never leave me alone, would always be at my side. I think I was given a choice and I chose to live. My mother woke me = she said it looked like I was dying. I told her to leave me alone, “I want to be with the lady”. We discussed this decades later. Our Lady gave me a number, throughout my lifetime I began to realize it was an important number because, now and again, life changing things happened to me on that date. I was prepared, by the Mother of our Lord who watched him suffer and die, to watch my own child, the answer to a prayer for a child to raise, suffer and die. Do not consider yourself able to judge what God can and cannot do, does and does not do. In this way, you block communication with Him. If it were not for Her warning to me, I would not have survived my daughter’s death - do you understand that?
 
This is the time to say “Be at peace”. To the OP may God guide u well on your journey
and may your vision be wrong I will pray that it is. I feel we should not argue about this but simply pray the OP is wrong and pray she had a safe journey
 
ellzeena said:
I’m not asking you to believe me. And I’m not claiming extraordinary “powers”. These are gifts of the Holy Spirit, available to anyone who loves God and striving for sainthood (and I don’t mean beatification or canonization, I mean sainthood as Jesus spoke of it). God “talks” to us, each one of us. Most people don’t know that, don’t understand it, block it. I call this “inner locution” for lack of a better way to describe it. It has saved my life, literally, at least twice. It has forewarned me of catastrophe. It has also communicated everyday things that bring me joy, such as: a few nights ago, suddenly I was reminded of a praying mantis (there’s a colony near my house which is now vacant and for sale) and the next morning, there in front of me as I went out the door with my dog, was a praying mantis. I had a conversation with it. Several months ago I had a prompting/thought/inner locution about a natural disaster and the next day, sure enough, there had been one exactly as “described” to me. These aren’t intended for worldwide publication or erudition, they are God’s way of telling me He is in control and has His finger on me and will not let me struggle alone. I don’t claim to be a prophet, but I have had real visions (and I’m not schizophrenic) and I have had this communication all of my life since very early childhood.
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You can claim all you want but ONLY the Church can determine if visions are genuine or not.
 
Whatever your premonition tells you it does NOT have to come true. The Lord told Jonah that Nineveh would be destroyed in 40 days, but they repented and despite what He said Nineveh was not destroyed.

Pray to the Lord that your premonition does not come true, and perhaps it won’t. But if your premonition is real your only chance is indeed prayer.
 
ellzeena said:
Premonitions are not “superstition”…they are a gift of the Holy Spirit. The Prophets prophesied, were they superstitious? I was given a premonition by the Blessed Mother at age five (a prophesy) but I could never remember what she told me until over the years a certain number became apparent. As my daughter approached that age, I was given the premonition of what would happen to her and began to remember more of what was told me during the vision. The number perfectly coincided with the age, date of death and times of contact with me of my daughter. In the past six months, I’ve been given premonitions regarding two things, both of which occurred (I found out by seeing the news on the Internet). I think God allows us, when we try to get as close to Him as we can and we try to live with humility and obedience, to see and hear things others miss. No, I’m not psychotic, I’m perfectly mentally healthy. So when this thought came to me (inner locution, I guess you’d call it), I looked it up on the Internet to prove myself wrong and there found how frail his health is. I am praying for him, anyway, because I think there is a great political struggle taking place in the Vatican right now, another intuitive realization, if you will. Did our Lord not tell his apostles that they would do things greater than He? I will talk to my spiritual advisor about this.
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I think you lie talk to the priest about it!
 
Since you have a spiritual director, I recommend that you talk to him/her. Things like this are best discussed in person with someone who knows you well and can guide you.

Have a wonderful trip! It sounds like a great time.
 
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