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Some may find this disturbing, I find this disturbing that I’d ask this, but it’s a question that I just need answered by people who know what they’re talking about. Would it be better if we simply were never born? I think instead of having to suffer a whole lifetime of sin and indignity and likely end up hell (as do the majority of people), would it not be the ultimate mercy to just not have to put up with any of that, to just not exist, not have to worry about all the problems we face in life and worry about whether or not we will fry in hell for all eternity? Answer this truthfully, why is existence worth it? Give me one good reason.
 
Well, one good reason to start with is that we do not know that most people end up in Hell. Sure, we all may suffer a lifetime of suffering, but we also need to be aware of God’s abounding mercy.
I would suggest you study more about St. Faustina and the “Divine Mercy.” Then you’ll hopefully see that it doesn’t have to be as bleak as you make it out to be.
 
moo5009 said:
Some may find this disturbing, I find this disturbing that I’d ask this, but it’s a question that I just need answered by people who know what they’re talking about. Would it be better if we simply were never born? I think instead of having to suffer a whole lifetime of sin and indignity and likely end up hell (as do the majority of people), would it not be the ultimate mercy to just not have to put up with any of that, to just not exist, not have to worry about all the problems we face in life and worry about whether or not we will fry in hell for all eternity? Answer this truthfully, why is existence worth it? Give me one good reason.
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To put it simply… despite all the feelings…

Despite that fact that God tells us few are saved…

Existence is worth it because God is worth it. Nothing else can compare to Him, His infinite love, His infinite goodness, His infinite beauty, simply, truly in the end, He, Himself, beyond all His attributes.

His wondrous splendor.

And so the opportunity to be with God is worth more in its weight than anything else possibly can be. To contemplate Him… to be in Communion with Him, in Communion with His angels and saints…

No price is sufficient to outweigh Him, and all He is.

That includes Hell. Which is small and petty in comparison.

For the people in Hell, it is true, it is better that they were never born, in their personal direct sense. In the larger sense, however, it is too all part of God’s justice and so, right. It is better, as God has decided, that we exist and have that opportunity to love Him, or contrariwise, be a part of His justice. 🙂

If we feel hopeless, despairing, at the difficulty of salvation… it is God who saves… not our own power… We must turn to Him always and work out our love for Him by truly endeavoring to love and love more and more. We must place our trust fully in His goodness… and pray… and love…

And we will be together with Him… because we chose to pray and love, always.
 
surritter said:
Well, one good reason to start with is that we do not know that most people end up in Hell. Sure, we all may suffer a lifetime of suffering, but we also need to be aware of God’s abounding mercy.
I would suggest you study more about St. Faustina and the “Divine Mercy.” Then you’ll hopefully see that it doesn’t have to be as bleak as you make it out to be.
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2 billion people in the world are Christians. 1 billion people in the world are Catholic. 90% of Catholics are either cafeteria Catholics, have used contraception, don’t go to mass regularly, and confess maybe once in their lives. Roughly that’s about a million out of 6 billion people who will go to heaven. Correct me if I’m wrong, I’m not trolling, but I really need to find some purpose in life.
 
moo5009 said:
Some may find this disturbing, I find this disturbing that I’d ask this, but it’s a question that I just need answered by people who know what they’re talking about. Would it be better if we simply were never born? I think instead of having to suffer a whole lifetime of sin and indignity and likely end up hell (as do the majority of people), would it not be the ultimate mercy to just not have to put up with any of that, to just not exist, not have to worry about all the problems we face in life and worry about whether or not we will fry in hell for all eternity? Answer this truthfully, why is existence worth it? Give me one good reason.
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Existence is worth it because God desires it and calls you to be happy with him. You underestimate God’s love and mercy and his desire for your happiness. The ultimate mercy is not nonexistence. That’s just a carbon copy of hell. The ultimate mercy is existence in God’s love, not because you deserve it or have earned it, but because God grants it to you freely as an expression of his love.
 
I suggest trying some meditations.

I find they enkindle the love of God.

Take them one at a time, maybe once a day or morning and evening, do them all if you can.

We have to aim to pray always… to always be in the presence of God. In the beginning the best way is to set some anchors, with some morning and evening prayer that one always keeps to for the rest of one’s life. 🙂

Thankfulness, gratitude, I find is the secret to happiness.
 
You exist because God willed you into being. Out of Billions of possible beings that will never exist, God chose to create you so that you could spend eternity in beatitude with Him. Creation is an unspeakable gift - one that is not appreciated enough. Due to the disorder in the world, many people abuse their existence, and never come to a true relationship with God. The disorder in the world resulted from original sin. It is true that God knew the first man would sin before he did so, and that as a result of this sin many would reject Him; but nevertheless, for the sake of those who would respond to His call and spend eternity with Him, He allowed creation to go on.

The fact that you are on your way into the Church shows that God has been drawing you to Himself, and you have been responding. You are on the correct path, and can hope to spend eternity with God - which was the reason for your being created.

As a convert myself, I can tell you that when you are responding to God, and on the way into the Church, the devil will often unleash attacks on you. He did it to me, and I suspect, based on your post, he is doing the same with you. It seems that he may be tempting you to despair. Don’t listen to Him. You are on the right path, which is the reason he is tempting you. I would suggest looking up online The Rules for Discerning the Spirits, by St. Ignatius. These rules were given to him directly by the Blessed Mother and will reveal how to discern if something comes from God (sometimes by the mediation of your guardian angel), or from the devil.

Also keep in mind one of the things that Jesus accomplished on the cross. Suffering is a result of original sin. If there was no sin in the world, there would be no suffering. Jesus overcame sin on the cross, but He did not put an end to suffering. Instead, He turned a negative into a positive. Today, the consequences of sin (suffering) can be used as a means of sanctifying our souls. This happens when we accept whatever difficulties we can’t remedy and offer them to God in union with the sufferings of Christ. In this way, we can actually take part in the work of Christ in saving souls. Being a member of Christ’s mystical body unites us to Him and makes this possible. Therefore, suffering, which we all dread by nature, can actually be used for good. When we approach our difficulties with this in mind, it removes the sting of suffering and difficulties, and actually adds a certain interior joy to them.

Hang in their and keep up your efforts. Let the fact that the devil is bothering you be a confirmation that you are on the right path.
 
moo5009 said:
2 billion people in the world are Christians. 1 billion people in the world are Catholic. 90% of Catholics are either cafeteria Catholics, have used contraception, don’t go to mass regularly, and confess maybe once in their lives. Roughly that’s about a million out of 6 billion people who will go to heaven. Correct me if I’m wrong, I’m not trolling, but I really need to find some purpose in life.
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God’s love is not a math formula. God loved YOU so much as ONE individual that He died for you.

You do your best to live in His friendship – including the sacraments – and trust that His love will lead you home. Just because it ain’t easy doesn’t mean you should EVER give up.
 
moo5009 said:
2 billion people in the world are Christians. 1 billion people in the world are Catholic. 90% of Catholics are either cafeteria Catholics, have used contraception, don’t go to mass regularly, and confess maybe once in their lives. Roughly that’s about a million out of 6 billion people who will go to heaven. Correct me if I’m wrong, I’m not trolling, but I really need to find some purpose in life.
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I do not think God plays with percentages like you are doing. I also do not think God demands absolute perfection from us. If such was demanded, what would be the use of Christ who is our perfection? God does desire us to do good and to love because only by living in love do we discover God. We are called to seek God in this life through love, but in the end God’s revelation of himself to us and his salvation to us is his gift. If it be God’s will that I enter into heaven, all praise and honor be to him. If it be God’s will that I be cast into hell, who am I to dispute his judgement? I am his to do with as he sees fit. I will strive to love as I can, knowing that my feeble love is only perfected in the love of Christ and that my salvation rests upon God’s mercy and love which I trust completely.
 
Shin said:
To put it simply… despite all the feelings…

Despite that fact that God tells us few are saved…

Existence is worth it because God is worth it. Nothing else can compare to Him, His infinite love, His infinite goodness, His infinite beauty, simply, truly in the end, He, Himself, beyond all His attributes.

His wondrous splendor.

And so the opportunity to be with God is worth more in its weight than anything else possibly can be. To contemplate Him… to be in Communion with Him, in Communion with His angels and saints…

No price is sufficient to outweigh Him, and all He is.

That includes Hell. Which is small and petty in comparison.

For the people in Hell, it is true, it is better that they were never born, in their personal direct sense. In the larger sense, however, it is too all part of God’s justice and so, right. It is better, as God has decided, that we exist and have that opportunity to love Him, or contrariwise, be a part of His justice. 🙂

If we feel hopeless, despairing, at the difficulty of salvation… it is God who saves… not our own power… We must turn to Him always and work out our love for Him by truly endeavoring to love and love more and more. We must place our trust fully in His goodness… and pray… and love…

And we will be together with Him… because we chose to pray and love, always.
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Personally, I like this answer.

A lot.

I was going to add a word: pray. But you already did, right there at the finale.

God is merciful. Ask Him for mercy, often. Daily, hourly, every minute.

Have mercy on me, Oh Lord, a sinner.
 
I think the question flows from the desire to exist. There is no way to not seek happiness. Happiness is God’s homing beacon that we can’t turn off. One may say I don’t desire happiness I desire to not be. But non-existence is not something revealed to us. How can one desire what is impossible to know? If we wish non-existence because we think* it is* ‘better’, then we still seek an existence.:twocents:
 
Benadam said:
I think the question flows from the desire to exist. There is no way to not seek happiness. Happiness is God’s homing beacon that we can’t turn off. One may say I don’t desire happiness I desire to not be. But non-existence is not something revealed to us. How can one desire what is impossible to know? If we wish non-existence because we think* it is* ‘better’, then we still seek an existence.:twocents:
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Were you unhappy in your pre-existance?

How can you desire to exist, before existing?

What does this say about those aborted? Did they not desire life enough for God’s homing beacon to get the signal?
 
StrawberryJam said:
Were you unhappy in your pre-existance?

How can you desire to exist, before existing?

What does this say about those aborted? Did they not desire life enough for God’s homing beacon to get the signal?
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I’m not understanding your point. How does what you have posted relate to what I posted? How does what I posted relate to the unborn children?
 
Benadam said:
I’m not understanding your point. How does what you have posted relate to what I posted? How does what I posted relate to the unborn children?
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Did I read you wrong? I may have. I got the impression you felt that we willed ourselves into existance, because- (that is all we can know?) Implying a pre-existance.

I am not sure if you meant what you said, or if I read it wrong.
 
surritter said:
God’s love is not a math formula. God loved YOU so much as ONE individual that He died for you.

You do your best to live in His friendship – including the sacraments – and trust that His love will lead you home. Just because it ain’t easy doesn’t mean you should EVER give up.
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Amen! Don’t be mesmerized by the numbers. God knows and loves you personally, “moo5009”, and wills your salvation. You can’t control what other people do, but you can turn to Him for help yourself. And if you act badly, as soon as you come to your senses, you can turn back toward Him again. And again. Just keep working at it and never give the devil the last word. All the burdens and indignities of this world are small matters when measured against eternity.

Never assume that you or anyone you meet is inescapably bound for hell. Evil habits make it harder to put your trust in God and follow Him, but even hardened sinners do sometimes repent.

Existence is definitely worth it for those who accept the gift of life that God offers, and do not throw it away.
 
moo5009 said:
Some may find this disturbing, I find this disturbing that I’d ask this, but it’s a question that I just need answered by people who know what they’re talking about. Would it be better if we simply were never born? I think instead of having to suffer a whole lifetime of sin and indignity and likely end up hell (as do the majority of people), would it not be the ultimate mercy to just not have to put up with any of that, to just not exist, not have to worry about all the problems we face in life and worry about whether or not we will fry in hell for all eternity? Answer this truthfully, why is existence worth it? Give me one good reason.
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Well I would say that living in complete bliss adoring our loving Creator may be a good enough reason. If you or anyone ends up in hell it is because they decided that hell was where they wanted to be, God does not condemn you to hell, you go there because that is what you chose.
I would add you are an ungrateful little …I can’t say it out of charity…Our Lord became human and suffered beyond belief for you, and you personally, just so you could be with Him eternally, and you whine about going to hell because that is what you picked. If Our Lords Sacrifice is not a good enough reason I will not be able to come up with one better.
I hope that my answer is truthful enough for you.
 
moo5009 said:
Some may find this disturbing, I find this disturbing that I’d ask this, but it’s a question that I just need answered by people who know what they’re talking about. Would it be better if we simply were never born? I think instead of having to suffer a whole lifetime of sin and indignity and likely end up hell (as do the majority of people), would it not be the ultimate mercy to just not have to put up with any of that, to just not exist, not have to worry about all the problems we face in life and worry about whether or not we will fry in hell for all eternity? Answer this truthfully, why is existence worth it? Give me one good reason.
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Life may be all that, but it’s many good things too. And even so; I’d rather live 90 years of horribleness and get eternity with my Creator, then nothing at all (not even the chance to exist). 🙂

Em :grouphug:
 
Emily23 said:
Life may be all that, but it’s many good things too. And even so; I’d rather live 90 years of horribleness and get eternity with my Creator, then nothing at all. 🙂

Em :grouphug:
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Go visit a nursing home, and take a look at your odds of even knowing who you are at that age. I know your God knows you, even if you don’t know who you are. But don’t be so quick to wish to live that long until you see what a typical day may be for someone that age.
 
StrawberryJam said:
Go visit a nursing home, and take a look at your odds of even knowing who you are at that age. I know your God knows you, even if you don’t know who you are. But don’t be so quick to wish to live that long until you see what a typical day may be for someone that age.
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StrawberryJam (I love that username btw!) I didn’t mean to sound hasty. And who knows I may not live that long. But I have been to a nursing home… I visited my own great-grandmother for many years in such a facility and I know what it is like. I am neither naive nor misinformed.

But if you think that I am going to believe for a minute that is worse than not existing, you’ve got to be kidding me. 🙂 I know life is not without it’s struggles; Christ never said his path was easy, or even just life in general. But through the brambles and thorns, there are still roses strewn here and there that will give just enough encouragement to keep you going till you reach your final destination. God never gives you more then you can handle. He always offers the grace to do his will.
 
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