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Something I’m curious about, just out of interest.
  1. Is it possible to have a Novus Ordo Mass in Latin? I don’t see any reason why not, but I’ve never heard of it happening. Are Papal Masses Novus Ordo in Latin, or are they in Italian?
  2. Have Tridentine Masses ever been said in the vernacular? Is there any form of the Mass for this?
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To the best of my knowledge Latin is the standard form for the NO. It is said in the vernacular by permission. Unfortunately everyone uses the permission and neglects the original form.

I don’t know of any exceptions being allowed to say the Tridentine in the vernacular. I have a strong suspicion that it is not permissible under any circumstances.

Sorry, I don’t have any references at hand for this.
 
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Something I’m curious about, just out of interest.
  1. Is it possible to have a Novus Ordo Mass in Latin? I don’t see any reason why not, but I’ve never heard of it happening. Are Papal Masses Novus Ordo in Latin, or are they in Italian?
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Yes, you can have a Novus Ordo Mass in Latin. I have been to the Latin NO Mass at St. Agnes Church in St. Paul, MN on several occasions. Very beautiful, reverent Mass!
 
The Novus Ordo is designed to be said Latin first, vernacular as a secondary option. That is why there is always so much bickering over the english translation, because they want them faithful to the Latin

No the EF can never be in Vernacular. Apparently for a very short time(1967-ish, if i recall correctly), it was done that way, but then came the NO, and that was done away with.

I do not know what language the Pope says Masses in, my guess is he might do Italian, only because he said them in english while here in America, but I have no source
 
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Something I’m curious about, just out of interest.
  1. Is it possible to have a Novus Ordo Mass in Latin? I don’t see any reason why not, but I’ve never heard of it happening. Are Papal Masses Novus Ordo in Latin, or are they in Italian?
  2. Have Tridentine Masses ever been said in the vernacular? Is there any form of the Mass for this?
Thanks!
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  1. Yes. It’s the default in fact, tho’ the vernacular is permitted when/where approved translations exist.
  2. Yes. It is not widely known, but for centuries, the Dalmation region was permitted the Latin Mass in Slavonic (which was the vernacular at first, and is still mutually intelligible with many slavic languages, including Serb, Slovak, Czech, Russian…). Technically, since the '62 missal was allowed in slavonic in those places, it still is.
Also, in the 65-70 period, parts of the mass were allowed in the vernacular, tho’ the whole of the mass was not to be. Which parts were left to celebrant choice.
 
We have the Novus Ordo in Latin once a month at my parish. It’s something our Msgr. really wanted to do. He took a poll to see how many parishioners were interested and ordered some booklets for us to use during Mass. It’s very nice 🙂
 
The Epistle and Gospel can be read in the vernacular in the Extraordinary Form (usually after the priest reads them in Latin). The homily, of course, is in the vernacular.

The processional hymn and recessional hymn (both are optional) can be in the vernacular, since technically they occur before Mass begins and after Mass ends. (“Purists” prefer that even these hymns be in Latin.)

Everything else is in Latin.
 
Lujack said:
Something I’m curious about, just out of interest.
  1. Is it possible to have a Novus Ordo Mass in Latin? I don’t see any reason why not, but I’ve never heard of it happening. Are Papal Masses Novus Ordo in Latin, or are they in Italian?
  2. Have Tridentine Masses ever been said in the vernacular? Is there any form of the Mass for this?
Thanks!
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The Mass of Paul VI can be said in Latin anytime, anywhere. Although it is not as common as the vernacylar, it seems that many more parishes are celebrating it that way these days. My Bishop has said his Masses in Latin at the Cathedral for several years and there are at least two other parishes in my city where one of the Sinday Masses is said in Latin…
Pope Benedict celebrates almost all of the Papal Masses in St. Peter’s Basillica in Latin. He seems to use the vernacular Italian when he celebrates outside the Basilica on his various pastoral visits inside Italy. On visits to other countries he has celebrated Mass mostly in the vernacular of that country. German in Germany, Portugese in Brazil, French in France, Polish in Poland and so on.
 
Open any Sacramentary…the book the celebrant uses on the altar, and the NO mass in Latin is in there. In fact, on occasion, one of our associates will recite the Liturgy of the Eucharist which includes the Consecration all in Latin…It’s wonderful!
 
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