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MJE
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Somewhere I read that only 7 diocese/bishops are directing their parish’s to stand during the Ecce Agnus (?) and after Holy Communion. Any of you know the source or the accuracy of this?
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MJE
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I understand that but wondering how many have opted for this. What is the latin term for the priest holding up the consecrated host and saying: "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. . . . . "?
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NewUlm1976_2000
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Correct, I think this was mentioned in all dioceses when it first came out. My parish started doing that initially, but it only lasted a couple of weeks. Now I would say it is 70% kneeling and 30% sitting on an average week. Some sit when the priest sits and some sit when the tabernacle closes.
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Aramis
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The Archbishop of Anchorage has directed that all should stand from the Agnus Dei unti the repose of the sacrament, barring infirmity.
It is my understanding that his suffragan bishops (Juneau and Fairbanks) are doing likewise.
None of the three are making a major issue of it.
It is my understanding that his suffragan bishops (Juneau and Fairbanks) are doing likewise.
None of the three are making a major issue of it.
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JW10631
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The parish priest at my mother’s parish dictates that all stand from the Our Father until after the Tabernacle is closed.
When I visit there, after receiving Communion, I kneel and pray and then stand. Cardinal Arinzie says I can kneel and I will kneel.
Standing for that length of time will never make it in the Pittsburgh Diocese. We have far too many older people who come to Mass to expect them to stand and it’s ridiculous to permit some to sit when others are told they must stand.
When my wife and I vacation in Fort Lauderdale, I go to a parish that is a majority of older people and there is no way any priest or bishop could expect them to stand for so long.
When I visit there, after receiving Communion, I kneel and pray and then stand. Cardinal Arinzie says I can kneel and I will kneel.
Standing for that length of time will never make it in the Pittsburgh Diocese. We have far too many older people who come to Mass to expect them to stand and it’s ridiculous to permit some to sit when others are told they must stand.
When my wife and I vacation in Fort Lauderdale, I go to a parish that is a majority of older people and there is no way any priest or bishop could expect them to stand for so long.
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Brain
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Seattle and Spokane remain standing after agnus dei.
Spokane directs that people remain standing until last person has recieved from cup.
Seattle I think has directed likewise.
Spokane directs that people remain standing until last person has recieved from cup.
Seattle I think has directed likewise.
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Br.Rich_SFO
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I could understand if these Bishops made this directive before the Cardinal clarified the rules. But are they still making these decisions that clearly over step their authority? Have they just not corrected their prior error?
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krazykatlady
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In my diocese we are directed to kneel from the Sanctus to the great Amen, and then to stand. After Communion we may kneel, sit, or stand. Most folks kneel. During the “behold the Lamb of God” though, I almost have to lock my knees to keep from falling on them in order to avoid being disobedient. 
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MusicMan
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When did Bishop Harrington mandate standing from the Our Father on?
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NewUlm1976_2000
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I don’t believe it was a mandate, just a suggestion when it came out.
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MusicMan
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I lived in Wabasha when the current GIRM went into effect in Winona, and I don’t recall the Bishop suggesting that the people remain standing after the Agnus Dei. The only real changes that my church made were putting the announcements where they belonged and standing for the Orate Fratres.
… and starting the Communion Hymn after the priest’s Communion where the GIRM requires it, but that was my idea, not a mandate from Winona.
… and starting the Communion Hymn after the priest’s Communion where the GIRM requires it, but that was my idea, not a mandate from Winona.
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Aramis
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Haven’t had to. THe vast majority see the standing as suitable, and sit or kneel as they see fit for the silence after communion. At most parishes it’s several minutes. (I can get 50 “Lord have Mercy” repetitions in, non-vocalized. Sometimes 100.)
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Bennie_P
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Is there a letter or document which clarifies this? In our parish we kneel after communion, but some of the parishes in our diocese stand, and I thought there was clarification on all of this, but all of that happen just before I came into full communion. (when it didn’t matter to me), All I know my wife was confused for a while as everyone else in our parish. I know when I go to daily mass at the Cathedral, all kneel after communion. I’m confused on this and ashamed of my ignorance for I seem to always get a diffent answer when I enquire about it:shrug:
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blessedtoo
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Nope. Seattle stands until everyone has received.
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Br.Rich_SFO
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Yes:
With respect to the proper posture during the liturgy of Communion, the GIRM in No. 43 specifies some norms approved by the U.S. bishops. One norm says the faithful should “kneel after the Agnus Dei unless the Diocesan Bishop determines otherwise.” A few bishops have determined that the faithful should stand at this moment, and this practice is the norm within those dioceses.
Another phrase of the GIRM, No. 43, caused some controversy. It affirms that the faithful “may sit or kneel while the period of sacred silence after Communion is observed.”
Some liturgists, and even some bishops, interpreted this text to mean that nobody should kneel or sit until everybody had received Communion. The resulting debate led Cardinal Francis George, president of the U.S. bishops’ Liturgy Committee (BCL), to request an authentic interpretation from the Holy See on May 26, 2003. (below)
Cardinal Francis Arinze, prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments, responded to the question on June 5, 2003 (Prot. N. 855/03/L):
“Responsum: ‘Negative, et ad mensum’ [No, for this reason]. The mens [reasoning] is that the prescription of the Institutio Generalis Missalis Romani, no. 43, is intended, on the one hand, to ensure within broad limits a certain uniformity of posture within the congregation for the various parts of the celebration of Holy Mass, and on the other, to not regulate posture rigidly in such a way that those who wish to kneel or sit would no longer be free.”
Having received this response, the BCL Newsletter commented: “In the implementation of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, therefore, posture should not be regulated so rigidly as to forbid individual communicants from kneeling or sitting when returning from having received Holy Communion” (p. 26).
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Brain
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But yeah, I just could not remember whether or not that was one of (Their awesomenesses) Bsp Tyson and Absp Brunett’s norms they established to try to make things more uniform in the diocese liturgically, administratively, canonically, sacramentally, etc. (To my knowlege, Bsp Tyson led the creation of the document, and the Archbishop signed it and changed stuff as he saw need)
I hope we enact all the stuff quick for the sake of unity, but I will say I have always thought it is fun to go to big diocisean events because while the the north, south, and to some extent far west regions of the archdiocese, for example, uses or is at least familiar with the chant for the Our Father, the south does not pause between “thy will be done” and “on earth as it is in heaven”, the north has a full pause and the peninsula pauses slightly.
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MJE
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Not" the Agnus Dei" but the Ecce . . .? with the response "Lord I am not worthy . . . " for the directive to kneel.
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Jim
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We stand here in the Diocese of San Bernardino. I just moved here a couple of years ago, so I’m not sure how long the practice has been in effect.
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