OF going back in time?

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Was the purpose of creating the Ordinary Form to go back in time and make it more like how mass was celebrated in the earliest days of the Church? I read how it was compared to the simplicity of the Mass as described by St. Justin Martyr. If this is true isn’t this the heresy of archeologicalism?
I think it’s fascinating how the rites of the Church develope over time and was just wondering about this.
 
Was the purpose of creating the Ordinary Form to go back in time and make it more like how mass was celebrated in the earliest days of the Church? I read how it was compared to the simplicity of the Mass as described by St. Justin Martyr. If this is true isn’t this the heresy of archeologicalism?
I think it’s fascinating how the rites of the Church develope over time and was just wondering about this.
What is the heresy of archeologicalism? Is there really a true heresy by that name?
 
To the popcorn eater above, this isn’t meant to be a controversial question :DIt’s a sad state of affairs when you ask a question about a Rite in the Church and ppl get upset. Maybe we need to start a disclaimer on CAF that states we believe the OF is valid, which I do.

@CB, I suppose it is 🤷 It came up when i was reading something on google and gave a brief explanation of it. The premise makes sense. Please expand if you understand more than I do.
 
Oh dear, oh dear. I don’t have a answer for you, but I’d like to sit in on the conversation.
 
To the popcorn eater above, this isn’t meant to be a controversial question :DIt’s a sad state of affairs when you ask a question about a Rite in the Church and ppl get upset. Maybe we need to start a disclaimer on CAF that states we believe the OF is valid, which I do.

@CB, I suppose it is 🤷 It came up when i was reading something on google and gave a brief explanation of it. The premise makes sense. Please expand if you understand more than I do.
Please don’t get yourself upset because someone posted an icon with the “watching to see what gets posted here” image. Any question that questions the Mass in OF tends to bring out all sorts of opinions. Let’s hope all can remain charitable. Now, was that reference to archeologicalism being a heresy from a legitimate Church website or was it from someone’s blog or another Catholic forum?
 
What is the heresy of archeologicalism? Is there really a true heresy by that name?
Yes. It’s basically the Catholic version of some of the Protestants’ mindset where the way the early Church did things is constantly viewed as purer and superior to later developments — i.e. developments are viewed as accretions and distortions rather than improvements.
 
I think you meant the heresy of antiquarianism. I don’t think the OF qualifies because antiquarianism more or less tries to recapture like 33AD style Eucharistic Liturgy which is very simplistic. From what we know it was literally more of a meal than the one with the rituals we have today.
 
vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_20111947_mediator-dei_en.html

MEDIATOR DEI
  1. The Church has further used her right of control over liturgical observance to protect the purity of divine worship against abuse from dangerous and imprudent innovations introduced by private individuals and particular churches. Thus it came about - during the 16th century, when usages and customs of this sort had become increasingly prevalent and exaggerated, and when private initiative in matters liturgical threatened to compromise the integrity of faith and devotion, to the great advantage of heretics and further spread of their errors - that in the year 1588, Our predecessor Sixtus V of immortal memory established the Sacred Congregation of Rites, charged with the defense of the legitimate rites of the Church and with the prohibition of any spurious innovation.[48] This body fulfills even today the official function of supervision and legislation with regard to all matters touching the sacred liturgy.[49]
  2. It follows from this that the Sovereign Pontiff alone enjoys the right to recognize and establish any practice touching the worship of God, to introduce and approve new rites, as also to modify those he judges to require modification.[50]
 
I think you meant the heresy of antiquarianism. I don’t think the OF qualifies because antiquarianism more or less tries to recapture like 33AD style Eucharistic Liturgy which is very simplistic. From what we know it was literally more of a meal than the one with the rituals we have today.
Yes, I see that in Mediator Dei it’s called antiquarianism. For some reason people use the term archeologism for the same thing. I don’t think the OF qualifies either because it’s not modeled on any particular ancient rite. It takes inspiration from some of them, but really I just think they were trying to get the laity more involved by streamlining it. It’s still the same basic thing as the EF, just streamlined.
 
It’s a sad state of affairs when you ask a question about a Rite in the Church and ppl get upset.
It’s not the question about the purpose of the Ordinary Form that’s a problem. It’s the “then isn’t this heresy” part. To even have to ask if an approved form of Holy Mass is heresy . . .
:eek:
 
It’s not the question about the purpose of the Ordinary Form that’s a problem. It’s the “then isn’t this heresy” part. To even have to ask if an approved form of Holy Mass is heresy . . .
:eek:
Indeed the OP asked a very loaded question…
 
It’s not the question about the purpose of the Ordinary Form that’s a problem. It’s the “then isn’t this heresy” part. To even have to ask if an approved form of Holy Mass is heresy . . .
:eek:
Well, or you can see it as someone who doesn’t have all the details straight and therefore can’t completely understand the difference and is asking an honest question spurred on by involuntary doubt.
 
Well, or you can see it as someone who doesn’t have all the details straight and therefore can’t completely understand the difference and is asking an honest question spurred on by involuntary doubt.
You hit the nail on the head 🙂

To the previous poster, my bad, it was not my intention to have a loaded question. Just curiosity, although I see now how it was worded badly.
 
The reforms of the Roman Liturgy in general (which includes the celebration of the Mass, the Sacraments, and the Liturgy of the Hours) that took place under Pope Paul VI have a much more complicated history and explanation than the majority of folks want to admit. It really was the crowning point of a movement that began way back in the mid-19th Century with folks like Dom Prosper Guaranger. But at the risk of being over-simplistic I’ll attempt an answer at your honest question:

One intention in the reforms of the Mass itself was to restore to the Roman Church a “purer form” of the Roman Mass. Incidentally, this was also the intention of the Council of Trent with the various reforms of the Mass mandated there. As any liturgical historian would admit, liturgy (especially at the popular level) always has a tendency to acquire new elements over time. Some of those elements can be good, others not so much; and some of those elements can be completely foreign to the liturgical understanding of the particular Church or the Church as a whole. One example would be the so-called “private Mass” that used to be celebrated prior to the current reforms. The idea of a “private Mass” is actually at odds with the intention and purpose of Liturgy to begin with. Liturgy, by definition, means “work of the people” or “a public service.” Within the context of the Church, Liturgy is the work of the Church as a whole, not the exclusive work of the priest that is merely observed by the rest of us. This is one of the reasons that the Church saw fit to do away with “private Masses” and to begin encouraging the “active/actual participation” of the lay faithful. We all have a hand in celebrating the Liturgy. As in any good drama, each character has his role to play and the action itself is not properly executed if each person isn’t playing his role.

Another intention was to restore certain practices of the ancient Church that had simply fallen out of use, but that the Church deemed appropriate for restoration according to our own peculiar times and culture. Two examples (both somewhat controversial) come to mind: 1) Communion under both kinds (i.e. the Body/bread and the Blood/wine), 2) Communion in the hands. The first may not come off as so controversial, but there really are folks out there who believe that lay people should not be receiving the Precious Blood. Their argument goes something along the lines of “You receive the whole Christ when you receive just the Body.” This is entirely true, but the Church’s reason for restoring the practice of “Communion under both kinds” wasn’t so that the faithful, after hundreds of years of oppression (I mean this humorously), could finally receive both the Body and the Blood. Rather, the intention was to restore a fuller symbolism in the practice of reception of Communion.

One could make a similar argument for Communion in the hands, but that has been argued ad nauseum on these forums. Suffice it to say that scholars - men and women who have spent decades studying the sources of the early Church and Her Liturgy in the original languages - have demonstrated fairly definitively that receiving Communion in the hand was actually the universal practice throughout the Church, East and West, up until the 8th Century at the earliest, and in many areas even right through the Middle Ages. I refer you to Fr. Robert Taft’s excellent and encyclopedic A History of the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, Vol. 6: The Communion, Thanksgiving, and Concluding Rites in which he demonstrates this in the context of the Eastern/Byzantine Liturgy, but references the sources that have demonstrated the same for the Roman Mass.

So those are just two of the major reasons that I’ve found for the reforms that took place in the Roman Mass and Liturgical life as a whole under Pope Paul VI. Again, I’m afraid here of being over-simplistic, but this is a good start for the sake of discussion. 😃
 
One intention in the reforms of the Mass itself was to restore to the Roman Church a “purer form” of the Roman Mass.
Please provide a document justifying the above. The immediate inference is that the reformers judged the traditional Roman Rite to be “impure,” which is of course not simply unlikely, but impossible, especially since the establishment of the Sacred Congregation of Rites, whose duty it was to maintain the purity of the Rite.
One example would be the so-called “private Mass” that used to be celebrated prior to the current reforms. The idea of a “private Mass” is actually at odds with the intention and purpose of Liturgy to begin with.
The celebration of Mass accrues benefits to the whole Church, however, and doesn’t require everyone to be actively present or participating.
We all have a hand in celebrating the Liturgy. As in any good drama, each character has his role to play and the action itself is not properly executed if each person isn’t playing his role.
The contemplative state, however, is actually higher -and certainly more spiritual- than the active state.

Consider praying the Rosary: if your focus is rather on shifting the beeds in your hands rather than on the substance of the prayers or the mysteries, then you have diminished the spiritual value of the Rosary.
Another intention was to restore certain practices of the ancient Church that had simply fallen out of use, but that the Church deemed appropriate for restoration according to our own peculiar times and culture. Two examples (both somewhat controversial) come to mind: 1) Communion under both kinds (i.e. the Body/bread and the Blood/wine), 2) Communion in the hands. The first may not come off as so controversial, but there really are folks out there who believe that lay people should not be receiving the Precious Blood.
You’ve actually just given the exact reason why Communion was limited to one kind for the laity: people thought that in order to receive the whole Christ, one needed to receive Him twice under each kind. The fact is that we receive the whole Christ: Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity under either kind, and it is an enormous perversion to think otherwise.
Their argument goes something along the lines of “You receive the whole Christ when you receive just the Body.”
This is heretical; only a heretic argues that. A Roman Catholic knows that Christ is wholly and truly Present under each kind.
This is entirely true, but the Church’s reason for restoring the practice of “Communion under both kinds” wasn’t so that the faithful, after hundreds of years of oppression (I mean this humorously), could finally receive both the Body and the Blood.
Again you’ve given the exact reason why the Church restricted the laity to receiving ordinarily under the one kind: regardless of which kind you receive, you are receiving Christ: His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.
 
What is the heresy of archeologicalism? Is there really a true heresy by that name?
My Googling skills say that “archeologicalism” is a term mostly used on the Fisheaters and other “traditionalist” sites.

And my trolldometer is going off.
 
To the popcorn eater above, this isn’t meant to be a controversial question :DIt’s a sad state of affairs when you ask a question about a Rite in the Church and ppl get upset. Maybe we need to start a disclaimer on CAF that states we believe the OF is valid, which I do.

@CB, I suppose it is 🤷 It came up when i was reading something on google and gave a brief explanation of it. The premise makes sense. Please expand if you understand more than I do.
I understand now because the term used by other posters is antiquarianism, which I had heard of. I had never heard of the term you used, that’s all. I was not meaning to enter into any controversy, just curious.
 
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