OF mass Ad orientem VS TLM

[Florida123]

For someone used to the TLM what differences would one notice were he to attend a Latin OF Mass Ad orientem with incense used and gregorian chant?

 

[PolyphonyChick]

Hello! While I’ve never been to an OF done in this way, I’d imagine it’s a giveaway that everybody’s speaking back and forth with the priest. Anybody familiar with the dialogue Mass (EF) would hear the differences. Probably the first sign would be that the priest and people are saying only one Confiteor together. (you could go for Judica me, but that’s omitted sometimes and I still haven’t mastered when )

 

[JamestheOlder]

You pose a VERY interesting question. My attempt at an answer:

A lot of people who are somewhat forgetful of the TLM as it was/is celebrated, would not notice the difference.

Knowledgeable people would notice the major changes to the Liturgy of the Word, and I am assuming that that portion would be mostly in the vernacular language, English, Spanish, Polish or whatever. There are two extra Bible readings added to the Novus Ordo (TLM only has Epistle and Gospel).

Most would not notice differences in the Liturgy of the Eucharist, except for the preliminary prayers to Holy Communion (Sign of Peace, Our Father).

There are actual differences in the Introductory rites, as well as in the Liturgy of the Eucharist, but many of these would be masked by the orientation of the priest/celebrant, the use of incense, Gregorian Chant and, finally, the use of Latin for the major parts of these sections.

Hope this helps! Peace.

 

[corsair]

Not to mention “lay” lectors and presentation of the “gifts”.

 

[lizaanne]

For someone used to the TLM what differences would one notice were he to attend a Latin OF Mass Ad orientem with incense used and gregorian chant?

That it’s not in English? The easiest way to do this is to consider your basic OF Mass at St. Suburbia, said in English, then turn the priest around and have him say the Mass in Latin. Replace hymns with chant, and there you have it.

By the very virtue of saying Mass this way, it is more reverent. You are not going to have the priest glad handing it up and down the aisle during the sign of peace (in many cases he may chose to omit the extension of the people to share the sign of peace which is perfectly acceptable).

My parish used to have the OF Mass in Latin, ad orientem, every Sunday prior to the lifting of the restriction on the EF.

~Liza

 

[laszlo]

1./ The TLM allows to use incense only in the solemn Mass.

2./ The new form continued to use the 1967 form, where

• there was no Psalm 42
• the readings were in vernacular only, and at the ambo
• the number of the genuflections and crosses were diminished
• the communion of the priest and faithful was composite to one unit
• the conclusion was shortened (no Last Gospel) and made logical (first blessing than dismissal

Also as a principle whatever was sing/recited by the choir or people it was not repeated by the priest (Introit, Kyrie, Gloria, Gradual/Tract, Creed, Offertory verse, Sanctus, Pater, Agnus Dei, Communion verse)

3./ Above that the new form changed the Lectionary, the Offertory prayers, and offered a variety for the penitential rite and the Canons.

 

[valoriuslobo]

Having been to an OF Mass in Latin, sung, ad orientem etc I can say the above is correct. Also, unlike the TLM, the Priest processes up the aisle rather than walking into the sanctuary from the sacristy. Also, at the TLM the priest recited the Gloria etc to himself and continues on while the schola sings on. At the OF celebrated this way, he sits down and waits for the choir to finish.

That being said, both are equally reverent and great to me! I would take either anyday. I think the OF done this way is inline with V2’s wishes & thus its sad seeing how far we deviated from that.

 

[SpiritFire]

That being said, both are equally reverent and great to me! I would take either anyday. I think the OF done this way is inline with V2’s wishes & thus its sad seeing how far we deviated from that. /Quote/

I find that the liturgy “versus populum” is done “at me”, as opposed to feeling of “full and active participation”, and being a part of the liturgy which ad orientem seems to foster. (I’ve only seen it on video, however)
I wish my parish would do this every once in a while at least. (Course, I wish they would do a lot of things) We have a very good church and a great altar for it.
V2 sought to get rid of the lay-“spectators”. Who are the spectators now? It feels more like a movie theater than a mass sometimes.
However, versus populum does have it’s advantages. But the theology based on ad orientem is too deep for me to just skip over. It’s much more meaningful to me

 

[ProVobis]

Having been to an OF Mass in Latin, sung, ad orientem etc I can say the above is correct. Also, unlike the TLM, the Priest processes up the aisle rather than walking into the sanctuary from the sacristy. Also, at the TLM the priest recited the Gloria etc to himself and continues on while the schola sings on. At the OF celebrated this way, he sits down and waits for the choir to finish.

That being said, both are equally reverent and great to me! I would take either anyday. I think the OF done this way is inline with V2’s wishes & thus its sad seeing how far we deviated from that.

At my parish EF the priest processes down the aisle as the choir chants the Introit. But your point about the OF Mass in Latin ad orientem is good. Unfortunately most have never heard a Latin OF in person. Many have never heard any Latin at Mass or wouldn’t know what to do if they didn’t see the priest’s lips move.